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I only saw A New Hope, and Clone Wars.
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I have a possibly irrational dislike of A New Hope, and that leaves Revenge of the Sith as the next best, so... yeah...
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Of course. A New Hope was only the brochure to the five star celebrity retreat that was Empire. The other movies were the hangover you get when you have to go back to work.
I don't even particularly like Star Wars and I like Empire.
I have a possibly irrational dislike of A New Hope, and that leaves Revenge of the Sith as the next best, so... yeah...
Your dislike is irrational. A New Hope is the second most culturally significant entry in the series - that alone sets it apart from the angst fest that is Rise of the Sith.
Return of the Jedi was a colossal disappointment. I don't see how it beats either of the others in the first trilogy unless you like ewoks or Vader's lame redemption story.
The new series is so bad, although Revenge of the Sith is tolerable. Whereas Attack of the Clones is not, and Phantom gives me heartburn.
I voted for the Phantom Menace cause of the racing part that was it. I would have voted for the 3rd movie in the prequel series if the new darth vader suit got more than 1 minute air time. I mean they spent a ass load of money redesigning it for all of 1 minute air time.
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We were voting based on the cultural significance of the movies? Why wasn't I told!?
Return of the Jedi was a colossal disappointment. I don't see how it beats either of the others in the first trilogy unless you like ewoks or Vader's lame redemption story.
Because the last like half-hour with the Emperor is that good.
Though mind, you RotJ is probably my favorite and it's not like I'd place it over that many other movies.
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We weren't necessarily using that as our only criterion, but when saying one movie is better than another it's always important to look at the movie in the context in order to determine the degree to which it could be called an achievement during its era; I mean, nobody is going to be trumpeting The Birth of a Nation for its modern-day artistic value, but it's still recognized as one of the best movies in US history because of the role it played when it was released. In like terms, ANH was really groundbreaking, whereas Revenge of the Sith didn't really compete with anything at the time on any terms: it was a run of the mill CGI extravaganza whose headliners turned in pitiful performances on the back of a semi-retarded plot and miserable writing.
I mean, we could go ahead and take the "snotty ten-year-old wondering why the visuals are so bad" approach and judge the films on pure entertainment value in a vacuum, in which case I still think ANH wins out. Let's see:
Darth Vader vs. Hayden Christensen: I guess Hayden gets a point for killing all those kids, but whereas we knew basically nothing about Vader short of his being a total badass and his murky past (i.e. with Obi Wan), we learned waaaaay too much about Hayden in RotS. A mysterious, faceless avatar of evil versus a pubescent emo narcissus/sociopath? No contest.
ANH Obi Wan vs. RotS Obi Wan: ANH Obi Wan sacrifices himself to save Luke Skywalker/the galaxy. RotS Obi Wan decides not to kill Hayden Christensen when he had the chance (because letting him burn alive in a pool of lava is much more humane), dooming the galaxy. Yeah.
Princess Leia vs. Natalie Portman: Princess Leia was a meaningful member of the resistance and much of the movie revolved around her passive resistance in captivity, the tragedy of her position when her planet was blown to bits, and her dramatic rescue/escape - she was an integral component of the story. Natalie Portman's role in RotS consisted of being pregnant, getting choked, and dying during childbirth because, literally, why not? She only contributed to the A plot through Hayden Christensen's visions of her death. The rest was dead weight.
ANH Supporting Cast vs. RotS Supporting Cast: Can anybody in RotS match up with Han Solo? Yoda could, if Yoda had actually done anything in the movie. Yoda was a fairly important component of RotS despite his relative lack of actually doing anything, as he oversaw the Kashyyyk thing and failed to beat the Emperor. But Harrison Ford turned in quite possible the best performance of ANH and over all his character is much more well-rounded in that movie than Yoda, for who the final battle of RotS is only interesting due to the character's history with audiences (and would otherwise just be a minor character randomly losing an equally random battle in the middle of the A plot). And the ANH droids just embarrassed their RotS counterparts.
ANH Plot vs. RotS Plot: ANH tells a pretty clich
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I am now feeling terrible for using "best" as shorthand for "my favorite"/"the one I was most entertained by" because I really don't care enough about any of the 6 movies to try and debate this. Like, I'd probably be willing to concede A New Hope is objectively a better movie than everything but ESB, it's just I didn't like it. So I feel terrible for having you go through all that when I really don't want to go there. >_>
I'd agree that that part is good, though I think it's best for Luke Skywalker's character development than anyone else's.
It's the best because the Emperor is awesome. And Luke v Vader, I guess.
Darth Vader's return to the light side wasn't the most credible story; I mean, you spend years killing untold millions of people while torturing/oppressing billions more, then all of a sudden you're a good guy again just because you kill some guy (who was probably going to die anyway) after sitting around for a few minutes watching him torture your own son right in front of you? No thanks.
Of course. That was silly. But there's a lot about Star Wars that is silly, so I just overlook it. Definitely shouldn't have done this though, I agree.
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Well, like I said before, I don't particularly like any of the Star Wars movies, and had I a choice between Empire and, say, the glorious Schindler's List, I would go with List in a heartbeat. The sequels, though, are inexplicably successful enough to earn my disparagement, with special attention to RotS, a movie with very few redeeming qualities that some critics were raving about for some reason.
So I feel terrible for having you go through all that when I really don't want to go there.
You say this as if I wouldn't write pages of text for no particular reason at the drop of a hat!
It's the best because the Emperor is awesome.
That works!
But there's a lot about Star Wars that is silly, so I just overlook it.
This is true, I guess, but it's kind of concerning when people just accept the idea that it's all better now after the Emperor is dead. I'd credit the silliness to the viewers more than to the writers, since the redemption story probably didn't strike anyone as a big stretch (or, at least, not as big a stretch as that ewoks thing).
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Jar Jar versus Chewie. Your only strategy is to let the Wookie win.
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Chewie was in both RotS and ANH, and Jar Jar was (mercifully) a non-factor in RotS.
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I'd want to backhand anyone who puts down Tartovsky's <.<
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Tartovsky's Clone Wars was so good. I really need to get the DVDs of that.
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The argument isn't that Vader wasn't going to turn on the Emperor because he was too entrenched in being a douche. The argument is that his last-minute change of allegiance isn't enough to actually excuse the preceding douchery.
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