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Eel Posted: 11/7/2011 10:26:04 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 001
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I'm not really sure what to make of it. Three of them are tied for first at this point in the season and Denver is just one game behind them... are they all that bad?
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/8/2011 11:21:01 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 002
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Well, let's see. The ones that are tied are 4-4, so they're obviously not good. KC got stomped by Miami (holy shit!), SD somehow managed to lose to KC, and Oakland... lost to Denver? I don't get that one. Denver has nothing going for it except for Tim Tebow, who is completely terrible. Literally the only reason people still remember there's an NFL team in Denver is that they're starting a horrible quarterback. This is Denver football. This is what it's come to.

As for the other three, I think the three-way tie is indicative of where these teams are right now. None of them are actually bad, and all of them have strengths where it counts, in particular at quarterback. They're just not as obviously loaded as Philadelphia or Detroit or whatever (not that it's worked for the Eagles).

Of course, the only one of them I've actually watched this season is the Chargers and so in my extremely biased opinion I'd say they're the best and will probably win the division. (That's not true. I've also watched Tebow highlights. They are truly a gift.)
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/8/2011 11:23:12 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 003
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The NFC West, on the other hand, is a complete disappointment. Why couldn't you suck, 49ers? Why?!
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xp1337 Posted: 11/8/2011 2:46:40 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 004
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Mostly agreed with Ogor, but I happen to give the Chargers a pass on most of this stuff by just going, "Just the Chargers being the Chargers, they'll activate their ridiculous late-season winning streak and take the division."

...Which can't possibly always work. (Like last season)

I mean, the Chargers are a fluke play away from being in the lead of that division (the Chiefs game) and hey, they got within a TD of Green Bay. But like Ogor, I don't watch much from the AFC West so it's hard for me to say.
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Eel Posted: 11/8/2011 3:31:00 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 005
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I wouldn't say that Tebow is the only thing Denver has going for it... they have a ridiculously good running game (in some games). Which brings up the point of why they beat the Raiders. The Raiders should've known that Tebow is a horrible QB and just ran after him all game long, but instead they didn't. They let him run around. They let the running backs run around. They also showed that Palmer isn't as good as he was say six years ago. The way that Oakland would have dominated that game is by stopping Denver from running, which they are more than capable of if you look at their earlier meeting, and running themselves, since Denver just stinks against the run. And Oakland's defense is almost as good as Detroit's, they should've had at least 6 sacks on Tebow.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/9/2011 2:09:10 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 006
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I don't think anyone thinks Palmer is still as good as he was six years ago.
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Eel Posted: 11/18/2011 5:01:54 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 007
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Tim Tebow. He's a terrible QB but he's a great running back. And God is on his side.
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xp1337 Posted: 11/18/2011 5:07:35 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 008
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No. The Jets Defense is just that incompetent. That final drive. I mad. Oh, I mad.

All-out blitz? On 3rd Down around the 20-yard line? Against Tebow. How do you lose containment? Who do they even think they're playing? The moment I saw that blitz was coming I knew they were screwed. I didn't immediately know it was going for a TD, but I knew it was going inside the 10 at the very least.

...how do you call that play? why do you call that play?

...

...Yeah, I'm not very happy right now!
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Eel Posted: 11/18/2011 5:20:46 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 009
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I thought you'd be used to disappointment by now. I'm waiting for the Broncos to collapse, I thought this game was as good as any to show how bad Tebow actually is, but... guess it'll come next week at San Diego. The Chargers aren't as bad as they've proven themselves to be lately... are they?

So not counting next week since it's a divisional game against a team that can't make up their minds about if they're any good or not, the Broncos have a mixed schedule.

At Minnesota, I really hope Peterson has a good game. I love him. But Denver's defense is turning out to be really good right now. They'll probably win that.

Hosting Chicago should be a blow out like the Lions game or Packers since they're simply that much better than Denver is.

Hosting New England... the Pats actually have trouble winning in Denver for whatever reason. And they play each other almost every year. Still think it should be a blow out.

At Buffalo, their early season magic is gone. This one will be close but Denver's gonna get this one.

Hosting Kansas City, I think this will be a blow out but one that Denver will provide.

9-7 record looks possible... and that will likely win their really super weak division. Unless San Diego finally gets their shit together and does something. But back on the point about New England. Denver has had to play them for at least seven years running now, and they were also scheduled to play the Colts for several years in a row too. I have no idea why since we didn't play the other teams in their divisions generally...
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xp1337 Posted: 11/18/2011 5:32:01 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 010
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I thought you'd be used to disappointment by now.

I wasn't ready for this! I'm always ready for losing to the Patriots (or any AFC East team, really). But the Tebow-led Broncos?

...I was not prepared.

I'm waiting for the Broncos to collapse, I thought this game was as good as any to show how bad Tebow actually is, but... guess it'll come next week at San Diego.

Eventually some team will realize that the best defense to the Broncos passing game is Tebow, and they'll just play the run. Always and forever and especially in a one possession game as time is running down. I understand that's usually a passing situation. But remember who you're playing!

I think Bears/Pats are the first completely legitimate opponents the Broncos will face out of that line-up. Unless the Chargers activate their November/December sorcery and became the de facto "Best Team in the AFC" since no one else seems to want the thing. Don't think Buffalo is that legit (watch them beat the Jets [also not legit now] next week to spite me) and that they're headed on a downward spiral. Agreed that Broncos probably beat Vikings/Chiefs.

I'd say W/L to Chargers, W - Vikings, Bills, Chiefs. L - Bears, Pats. So 8-8 or 9-7 depending on what the Chargers decide on doing.

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God, 9-7 can win that division. I'm not even ruling out 8-8 yet.
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Eel Posted: 11/18/2011 5:46:34 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 011
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That division is so close... it'll probably stay that way until the last couple weeks. Especially if Tebow keeps doing this to teams. If they beat San Diego, the Chargers are out of the play offs (I'm not expecting them to beat Chicago this week). Then the division turns into Oakland vs. Denver. Except that Oakland has a slightly harder schedule with Detroit, Chicago, and Green Bay still to play. And they have San Diego on the last game of the season, and they might be playing for an upset by that point.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/18/2011 7:51:40 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 012
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...I was not prepared.

Nobody was... except the mighty Denver Broncos.

God, 9-7 can win that division. I'm not even ruling out 8-8 yet.

Well they were all tied midseason at 4-4 so 8-8 seems like the record to shoot for.

Especially if Tebow keeps doing this to teams.

Pahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

... But seriously, a number of NFL teams might have some trouble adjusting to a mostly run-based offense considering how dominant passing QBs have become in the league. I mean, a lot of teams just plain suck at defending the run. So who knows, maybe the Tim Tebow Dream Machine will just keep on chuggin'.
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Eel Posted: 11/28/2011 1:05:23 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 013
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Man, San Diego has fallen from... well, honestly I never thought much of them, but they're annually picked to win the division and it seems like the last five years it's always been up for grabs. Now it seems like they're firmly the worst team of the bunch, and not just because of their record.

With the injury to Cutler and Peterson, that schedule looks a whole lot better. A 10 win season could be a possibility. If they do manage to get 10 wins this year I'll tattoo Tebow on my back. Make a tramp stamp for it with his jersey number... Or better yet, Miller. Miller's made a bigger impact than Tebow has. At least in my opinion. The way they're winning isn't by having a spectacular offense, it's by having a dominating defense.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/28/2011 1:49:50 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 014
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There used to be a time when I could watch the Chargers without facepalming every few minutes. Man, those were the days.
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Eel Posted: 11/28/2011 3:57:52 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 015
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I guess Tebow being Jesus still makes people talk... Quoting scripture to his whole team. Also, a couple weeks back they showed briefly the post-game prayer circle with all the players in the middle of the field... I thought it was amusing to see Brian Dawkins leading the prayer. I wish I could hear that...
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/28/2011 4:44:49 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 016
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Tebow has been sent from the Heavens to sanctify God's chosen sport.
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PopTheTop Posted: 11/29/2011 2:47:28 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 017
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This is stupid.

It's like when mediocre college teams run the option because you only need like 3 talented players on offense to run it.

Denver plays solid defense and runs the option all day, players in the NFL haven't seen the option in a few years and don't really know how to play against it anymore.

I think that very soon teams are going to figure the broncos out simply by being disciplined on the outside and loading up against the run and daring Tebow to throw the football.

It's the same as when Miami started running the wildcat and everyone went on about how good it was, but as soon as teams figured them out it stopped being effective and they went back to a normal offense.

Short answer: gimmick offenses work until a team figures out how to beat them, then everyone copies that defense and the gimmick offense becomes less effective.
Eel Posted: 12/4/2011 9:38:12 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 018
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When did Miami become good? So the Broncos are getting these teams when their best players are out, next week they get Chicago without Forte or Cutler... wonder if Brady will be hurt next week. It'd be consistent with the Broncos schedule at least...

And the only team to beat Tebow this season is getting a belated curse with Suh's suspension and their 1-2 record since beating them. And they get to play New Orleans tonight.

God is on Tebow's side.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 12/4/2011 11:01:42 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 019
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When did Miami become good?

This was a while ago.

God is on Tebow's side.

Or... tremendous amounts of luck.
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Eel Posted: 12/5/2011 2:03:36 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 020
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What is God if not a tremendous amount of luck?
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 12/5/2011 2:06:22 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 021
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When God is on your side, you don't need luck.
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xp1337 Posted: 12/5/2011 2:11:33 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 022
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When God is on your side, you don't need luck.

Like the Colts could be stopped even by divine intervention at this point.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 12/5/2011 2:38:46 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 023
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I see what you did there.
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Link Dude Posted: 12/5/2011 2:41:48 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 024
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hey guys, maybe the Bears won't disappoint this year XD
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 12/5/2011 2:55:16 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 025
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XD
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Link Dude Posted: 12/5/2011 5:44:51 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 026
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Lions got destroyed. How they even got one touchdown much less two is beyond me.
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Eel Posted: 12/12/2011 1:51:14 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 027
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Three things to expect:
Broncos win late or in over time.
Green Bay wins.
Chargers win in December. But they don't matter anymore.

As far as next week... Brady will score points, Tebow will probably be able to do something against that horrible defense... it could turn out to be like the Minnesota game. Except this time against an offense that knows how to keep someone like Tebow off of the field late in the game. Or on the other side, they could get back to Broncos football with running the ball infinite times and not letting Brady on the field.
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xp1337 Posted: 12/12/2011 2:02:53 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 028
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It seems like the typical Broncos game involves the opposing team forgetting how to play the game of football in the last five minutes of the game. So really it's just a matter of how the Patriots will implode, and of secondary concern, will their lead be high enough to survive the meltdown?

Personally? I think, "Brady, up by 4, hands the ball off to a blitzing LB who returns it for a TD" is as good a candidate as any.
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Eel Posted: 12/12/2011 2:05:54 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 029
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Yeah, offensive mistakes really kill the opposition... but in close games most teams defensively will go with a prevent style to keep anyone from scoring quickly, which is why everyone is open on short passes like they were today.
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xp1337 Posted: 12/12/2011 2:15:31 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 030
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It's not even the prevent (which is a bad idea 99% of the time), even simple things like staying in bounds seem to escape teams when they are playing against the Broncos.
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