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| crkn | Posted: 1/23/2012 7:45:03 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 001 |
| Level: 10 Lurker | http://www.thefluxnet.com/articles.php?view=200 Discuss. |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 1/23/2012 7:52:02 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 002 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Note to Kenri: I already distributed shrines etc. from his post in the other topic. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 1/25/2012 10:01:33 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 003 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | So I've just now gotten around to reading this as opposed to merely skimming it (and considering how short it is this is a good exhibit of just how lazy I am), and I think we should make a distinction here between two kinds of censorship: the kind that's in violation of property rights and the kind that isn't. The former occurs when, say, a mob seizes a newspaper's printing presses and destroys all copies of an issue that contains something they dislike (this used to happen back when newspapers were a thing), or more often by state action. The latter is the kind described in this article. The question is whether, from a customer service perspective, websites are justified in providing an opportunity for their users to censor comments. History bears this model out in practice. Even GameFAQs and its spinoffs rely largely on user self-moderation through marking messages, since the ones that matter have too few moderators to effectively "patrol" the boards anyway (unlike this one). But I agree that giving the mob a way to censor anything without review is a questionable practice - not from a business standpoint, since having a mob of any kind is probably a good sign, but simply from a usability standpoint. If half the comments are essentially blocked and you're getting only the demented ravings of the mob that blocked them, why are you still on that website? Why would you bother to post anything? If review is too costly, I like models like Engadget's, where the post is replaced by a notice saying it was "downvoted to oblivion"; it still holds its place in the thread and you can click to reveal it, you're simply able to skim over those if you don't care. Otherwise, I echo the sentiment of this article and don't personally peruse any websites with an aggressive self-censorship mechanism. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| crkn | Posted: 1/25/2012 12:03:10 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 004 |
| Level: 10 Lurker | Thank you for your input Ogor. "If half the comments are essentially blocked and you're getting only the demented ravings of the mob that blocked them, why are you still on that website? Why would you bother to post anything?" I generally avoid forums like the plague because my thoughts are too disorganized to cohesively keep a conversation going over the course of a few days, but... I think people continue to post either because they don't care that they're being heard(just to put their two bits in), or, the underdogs that get in (up/down)vote wars to keep their opinion viewed. Personally, I generally don't like the idea of moderating posts unless they contain spam or gratuitous amounts of vitriol. I mean, vitriol? This is the internet, your angry spittle might get on the tophats of other distinguished gentlemen! |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 1/25/2012 1:09:53 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 005 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | I think people continue to post either because they don't care that they're being heard(just to put their two bits in), or, the underdogs that get in (up/down)vote wars to keep their opinion viewed. This is true, and there's also the "someone is WRONG on the internet" principle. But at that point the conversation has degenerated far beyond the point where any value could be recuperated. Personally, I generally don't like the idea of moderating posts unless they contain spam or gratuitous amounts of vitriol. As an important subclass of vitriol, there's "offensive" posting which I consider valid, most notably racism. If I wanted to hear about the biological inferiority of the colored peoples I would join Stormfront. I mean, vitriol? This is the internet, your angry spittle might get on the tophats of other distinguished gentlemen! Cleaning my own monocle is simply undignified! ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
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