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"Too much hope is the opposite of despair.. An overpowering love may consume you in the end." - Vincent Valentine
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http://www.thefluxnet.org/boards/genmessage.php?board=4995&topic=2287
The rest will become apparent to you as you look around. Be sure to get a class before you try to get items and spells - the class guy is in field 9 or 13 or somewhere around that corner.
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2. Go to field 1. Kill some bass and salmon, run from trout. Go to field 2 whenever you're low on health.
3. Once you have some gold (you need about 90), go to field 3 and buy a Leather Jacket, Paper Shield, and Wooden Helm for each character.
4. Return to field 1. You can now own trout, so do so for a while. Once you're level 3 or so, go to field 2.
5. Sharks will own you and Giant Squids will probably force a stalemate, but Father Trouts are fairly easy to kill. Do so, they give a lot of EXP compared to bass, trout, salmon, and TOTGA.
6. Once you're bored and really want to have a class, go to field 9 and change your class. I recommend a good balance - your main character should probably be a physical class (warrior, pikeman, soldier, horseman, maybe archer), you should have a mage (spiremage or weaver), a support character or healer (summoner, cleric, spiremage, bard), and a "tricky" character (ninja, apprentice, tamer, spiremage, spellbinder). However, none of this matters, you'll probably end up deleting and remaking your characters later.
7. Re-equip your equipment. Back to field 2. Get some more gold and go to the shops for your characters. Buy some equipment and spells.
8. You may now be able to kill Mother Krakens in field 4. Have fun doing so.
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"Too much hope is the opposite of despair.. An overpowering love may consume you in the end." - Vincent Valentine
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"There are times when destiny calls forth a people and demands an action. Now is the time. We are the people. This is our action. Charge!" ~Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
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"Too much hope is the opposite of despair.. An overpowering love may consume you in the end." - Vincent Valentine
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"There are times when destiny calls forth a people and demands an action. Now is the time. We are the people. This is our action. Charge!" ~Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
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You suck! -Crowd
Your mother taught me how! -Kurt Angle
Liberal Arts Major
Switch to the superior EST.
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True enough, though either way both are good for leveling. >_>
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"Too much hope is the opposite of despair.. An overpowering love may consume you in the end." - Vincent Valentine
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SS is "based" in my home, in theory, so I feel it should be MST.
Yeah, that sounds right.
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~ Ogordemir ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
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~ Ogordemir ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
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"Who are the Jews in this metaphor?" ~Dr. Chase
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"Nothing gives me a bigger orgasm than a brain hemorrhage. Like they say, ear sex is best, put her skull to the test." - HardKore ChiK
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"Who are the Jews in this metaphor?" ~Dr. Chase
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"Nothing gives me a bigger orgasm than a brain hemorrhage. Like they say, ear sex is best, put her skull to the test." - HardKore ChiK
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"Who are the Jews in this metaphor?" ~Dr. Chase
Liberal Arts Major
Consider Manticore. Here's a monster with "moderate" stats - 3000 HP, 1500 SP, 420 ATK, 500 DEF, 450 MATK, 800 MDEF, and 250 SPD - that everybody finds very difficult to beat. On the other hand, we have Marutin I: 8000 HP, 20000 SP, 0 ATK, 540 DEF, 400 MATK, 540 MDEF and 1200 SPD. Does anybody have any trouble beating him? Nope. What are the big, important differences?
One is immune to defense-breakers, the other is not.
One can cast a defense-breaker, the other cannot.
(Of course, you start with one fewer character against Manticore, but Manticore also has 5000 less HP, so I'm going to go ahead and say it evens out.)
Defense-breakers hold far too much sway over the battle system and are in the process forcing escalation. Everyone has to have a defense-breaker in order to consistently beat these two, and because there's no way to use such a spell on Manticore, he's not worth hunting. Similarly, multi-targeted spells have gone over the hill as far as power level is concerned (if you don't believe me, see the above discussion on defense-breakers and consult the effect of Magic Burst), even though they by nature should be a little weaker than their counterparts. And then there's Divert, which forces a draw if the caster isn't killed in some convoluted manner for the low, low price of 10 SP. (Not that SP matters. Consumption is so low by percentage that you'll never run out of SP except maybe if you get hit with some Master spells.) Now factor in how easy it is to get to level ONE MILLION and it becomes obvious why nobody around here is interested in making a diverse offering of low-level monsters.
Apart from escalation and strategy-expulsion, these conditions cause the game to be very, say, "top-heavy". That is to say, new players get screwed. There's really nothing to do except kill the same pathetic fish over and over - which becomes easy as pie once you get ahold of Smash and a respectable ATK - and then try to beat the ridiculously overpowered monsters with your ridiculously overpowered spells. It's very difficult to implement any sort of challenge in the battle system outside of letting the monsters cheat.
Not to mention PvP is simply an exercise in going first.
Now, my question is: are you all also concerned about this degeneration? Because I have a number of solutions for these problems. Specifically:
* SP-system reform
* Some sort of "accuracy" or "fizzle" risk for spells
* Nerfing all defense-breakers, negation, and multi-targeting spells somehow (although the latter two are probably not as overpowered as the first)
* Lower level caps on non-third- and non-Special-II-class characters
* Something else?
(I'm also considering revising the monster system to allow variation between monsters, essentially by assigning each monster a level and base states, computing the number of stat points they would have at the level, and then distributing them according to some variables. This doesn't fix any pressing problems, but it's kewl.)
Some of these reforms allow me to make boss monsters more readily beatable, and makes PvP less... horrible. Others de-emphasize grinding and allow me to make quests that reward experience, gold, and access to weaker but more valuable (in terms of exp or gold) monsters more relevant, which makes up for a the fact that it'll be harder to OHKO most monsters.
As far as the game's structure goes, I also have to do the following:
- Fix some bugs
- Add "cities" and signposts
- Add free market functions
- Start the storyline
- Add a special surprise!
So these innovations fit right in.
(Aside: Typing this feels like I'm proposing a Banned and Restricted list. Creepy.)
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~ Ogordemir ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Liberal Arts Major
And, the monsters SHOULD cheat every once in a while. Hell, they do in balanced games. >_>
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...Yes. Yes, we "all" find Manticore very "difficult" to beat.
Anyway, I personally don't farm the Manticore because 1. even though I can revive the person he eats, that takes time and SP and 2. I can't warp to his area and then warp back to the healer whenever I'm low on HP. These are MUCH more detrimental to farm-ability than immunity to piercers is.
Now factor in how easy it is to get to level ONE MILLION and it becomes obvious why nobody around here is interested in making a diverse offering of low-level monsters.
...I think you mean level 1200. 200 (Base) + 200 (Class 1) + 200 (Class 2) + 200 (Class 3) + 200 (Special 1) + 200 (Special 2)
Even that is a bit much - Class 3 is difficult to level up, and the Special Classes aren't diverse enough to warrant actually becoming one of them unless you planned to from the beginning. There's no reason for a dedicated Archer to suddenly become a Berserker or Necromancer.
And eh, I could crank out some low level monsters in the form of pirates if SS is actually going to be up and running again. Pirates don't require much thought and are cool. And with the quest system, we could implement a pirates vs. ninja quest! <_<
* Some sort of "accuracy" or "fizzle" risk for spells
* Nerfing all defense-breakers, negation, and multi-targeting spells somehow (although the latter two are probably not as overpowered as the first)
Both of these sound good. Maybe not "nerf" negation, so to speak, just give it to a couple other classes so most players have access to it. And make some "negate negation" spells.
* SP-system reform
* Lower level caps on non-third- and non-Special-II-class characters
I don't see any way to do these without resetting all the characters, which would be... bad.
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Not in WoW.
Hell, I rerolled on a PvP server because even though I spent forever getting my Paladin to 41 on a PvE, I really want to just tear apart Alliance n00bs. >_>
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It might be. :\
And, the monsters SHOULD cheat every once in a while. Hell, they do in balanced games. >_>
But the monsters have to cheat here or you'll run them all over. =(
...Yes. Yes, we "all" find Manticore very "difficult" to beat.
You're currently the only one to have beaten him, and apart from perhaps you or maybe xp, I don't think anyone else could beat him consistently. Besides, you have four level 200 mounts and all your characters appear to have gone well past level 200. You're not exactly the rule. >_>
Essentially what I'm saying is that I would prefer to make leveling less of a priority against bosses and somehow find a way to make them challenging to a broad array of levels.
These are MUCH more detrimental to farm-ability than immunity to piercers is.
I don't really want you to farm him. >_>
...I think you mean level 1200.
...I don't see how you could think I wasn't using hyperbole.
Even that is a bit much - Class 3 is difficult to level up,
How on earth is Class 3 more difficult than anything else? It takes the exact same experience as every single other class, you're just several times more capable of killing everything on the screen. It's probably difficult because you get bored out of your mind. >_>
and the Special Classes aren't diverse enough to warrant actually becoming one of them unless you planned to from the beginning. There's no reason for a dedicated Archer to suddenly become a Berserker or Necromancer.
This is true.
if SS is actually going to be up and running again.
SS probably will. I've already starting coding some of this stuff and I don't want it to be all for naught as that would suck and make me sad.
And with the quest system, we could implement a pirates vs. ninja quest! <_<
...>_>
Maybe not "nerf" negation, so to speak, just give it to a couple other classes so most players have access to it. And make some "negate negation" spells.
I think I might give some forms of negation to other classes, but if there's a "negate negation" spell it'll likely focus on reducing the accuracy or increasing the "fizzle" risk of those spells. Negation at its heart isn't necessarily bad, but mass negation with no drawbacks - suck as Divert - is horribly broken.
I don't see any way to do these without resetting all the characters, which would be... bad.
I could implement SP reform simply by editing every PC's SP value. It wouldn't require a reset.
Level limit is a bit trickier, as it would only apply to oncoming players. I don't intend to reset anyone because that would be worse than bad. That would be ROSE bad.
Not in WoW.
So you PvP against yourself? That's the problem I was addressing. >_>
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~ Ogordemir ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
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10% EXP barrier makes it a pain.
Okay, maybe it doesn't make it actually HARDER, just more time consuming. <_<
I could implement SP reform simply by editing every PC's SP value. It wouldn't require a reset.
I guess. >_>
You're not exactly the rule. >_>
Yeah, I pretty much just pumped EXP into my characters until they turned inside out.
SS is my bitch. <_<
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Ah, I forgot about that. Yes, that does make it take longer. >_>
SS is my bitch. <_<
I thought I was your bitch. =(
In other news, I have another suggestion: create a starter class. This idea is shamelessly stolen from RO, but I think it might work well here.
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~ Ogordemir ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde