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xp1337 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:24:27 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 031
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Three questions, because I'm silly and thinking too hard.

1. Do you anticipate a character reset some time in the future?

If yes, then 2 and 3 are irrelevant.

If no...

2. I'm trying to set up a team way in advance and ran into some class questions.

A Melee/[Offensive, and if "element" matters, then "dark," but I'm not overly concerned with that level of specifics, though it'd be convenient if it worked out that way] Magic Hybrid? Scanning the list, Arcane Colossus and Arcane Knight seem like the closest fits, but maybe I'm way off on that. If I'm not, hints [or you can just say] on the class progression needed for whatever one fits.

Same deal for Thief and Magus. My guess is that Ninja is one of the required classes for Thief, but I'm not entirely sure on the other. As for Magus, my guess would be that it's the pure class for Weaver, but again, not sure.

3. Out of whatever class you think best fits that hypothetical hybrid class and Magus, does either have healing? Because if not, I'm probably going to have to think of something else (I'm assuming Assassin and Thief don't have healing, at least)
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:26:33 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 032
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Giant Squid is officially cheating. I can't hurt him anymore and he's magically damaging me now. >_> I'll just have to go back to killing other stuff.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:29:26 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 033
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
1. Do you anticipate a character reset some time in the future?

No. If it weren't for the changes to the class/experience/level system I wouldn't have done one this time, either.

A Melee/[Offensive, and if "element" matters, then "dark," but I'm not overly concerned with that level of specifics, though it'd be convenient if it worked out that way] Magic Hybrid? Scanning the list, Arcane Colossus and Arcane Knight seem like the closest fits, but maybe I'm way off on that. If I'm not, hints [or you can just say] on the class progression needed for whatever one fits.

Anything in Tier X works. Arcane Knight also works, although the Colossus is better (Initiate Weaver and Initiate Soldier, respectively, if I'm not mistaken). Seven Tier X classes require Weavers; a few others require Initiates and Spellbinders, followed by random dudes. I'd go with Sage (Weaver pure class).

Same deal for Thief and Magus. My guess is that Ninja is one of the required classes for Thief, but I'm not entirely sure on the other. As for Magus, my guess would be that it's the pure class for Weaver, but again, not sure.

Thief involves Apprentices and Magus involves Weavers. I'll give you hints: Thief's other class recalls the dark type in Pokemon, while Magus is basically Gandalf.

3. Out of whatever class you think best fits that hypothetical hybrid class and Magus, does either have healing? Because if not, I'm probably going to have to think of something else (I'm assuming Assassin and Thief don't have healing, at least)

All Tier I classes will get a generic healing spell, so Magus fits the bill unless you want hardcore healing.
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"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:30:35 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 034
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Giant Squid is officially cheating. I can't hurt him anymore and he's magically damaging me now. >_> I'll just have to go back to killing other stuff.

Cephalopods: srs bsns
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:32:37 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 035
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Wait...

Oh, I don't know then. Douse should be doing more damage. It still has 13 ATK/DEF.

The max ATK a level 1 can have with the Toy Sword is 13. So, if they had 13 DEF the whole time, how was I hitting them for 3s before and now I hit for 0s? They must have had 10 DEF or something at some point.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:33:53 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 036
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
The max ATK a level 1 can have with the Toy Sword is 13. So, if they had 13 DEF the whole time, how was I hitting them for 3s before and now I hit for 0s? They must have had 10 DEF or something at some point.

ATK damage is calculated ATK - .75 * DEF plus some random crap with sines and so on that shouldn't influence small numbers.
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:35:29 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 037
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Oh. Then I really don't get how I was hurting them before and now I can't. >_>
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:50:49 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 038
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Oh good lord.

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xp1337 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:51:08 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 039
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Only concern with Sages, is I forgot to specify sword as the melee weapon, and I'm not a pure Weaver class would get that. If it does, great, but if not, I imagine Arcane Colossus gets it through Soldier.

Thief involves Apprentices and Magus involves Weavers. I'll give you hints: Thief's other class recalls the dark type in Pokemon, while Magus is basically Gandalf.

For Thief... Initiate?

As for Magus, pfft, Gandalf can do everything, we've hardly eliminated anything! Uh... Weaver + ...I'm going to say Cleric to explain where the healing spell came from.

Also, um, I'm not sure I'm looking for hardcore healing, so long as its passable. I'm aware of, and don't mind that this would be a suboptimal setup from an overall point of view, but I get the feeling that a total lack of healing would be... bad.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:52:30 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 040
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Oh good lord.

Disregard those. I'm trying to log your stuff. I'm just retarded. >_>
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:53:11 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 041
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I figured as much considering the spell only comes up as not existing when they cast it on Alex. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 2:55:42 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 042
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Only concern with Sages, is I forgot to specify sword as the melee weapon, and I'm not a pure Weaver class would get that. If it does, great, but if not, I imagine Arcane Colossus gets it through Soldier.

In that case you would be better off with Arcane Knight or Colossus, yup.

For Thief... Initiate?

Yessir.

As for Magus, pfft, Gandalf can do everything, we've hardly eliminated anything! Uh... Weaver ...I'm going to say Cleric to explain where the healing spell came from.

No, I was referring to the Gandalf at Minas Tirith, when he takes command of the City's force during the siege and the Battle of the Pelennor Fields etc.

Also, um, I'm not sure I'm looking for hardcore healing, so long as its passable. I'm aware of, and don't mind that this would be a suboptimal setup from an overall point of view, but I get the feeling that a total lack of healing would be... bad.

Magus should be good then.
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Message last edited by Ogordemir99 on 1/1/2010 at 09:56:08 PM
xp1337 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:03:46 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 043
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
...I can't see a way to drop Weaver from a "Gandalf"... so for the second class... you can't mean Pikeman, can you? I mean, the intermediate is "Officer" so it seems to imply a kind of leadership position...

But then if you factor in the Battle with the Witch-King you could make a case for like, Soldier maybe.

And cases exists for like every other class if you think about it, though admittedly perhaps not if we constrain things to Minas Tirith. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:06:16 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 044
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Or wait, did Gandalf even fight the Witch-King directly at Minas Tirith? He definitely confronts him and gets him to stop owning the city, but... Maybe I'm confusing the movie with the book. Or just completely misremembering everything. >_>
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/2/2010 3:07:37 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 045
Level: 43
Editor
The max ATK a level 1 can have with the Toy Sword is 13. So, if they had 13 DEF the whole time, how was I hitting them for 3s before and now I hit for 0s? They must have had 10 DEF or something at some point.

Are they defending? <_<
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:08:08 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 046
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
But then if you factor in the Battle with the Witch-King you could make a case for like, Soldier maybe.

That sounds about right.

Or wait, did Gandalf even fight the Witch-King directly at Minas Tirith? He definitely confronts him and gets him to stop owning the city, but... Maybe I'm confusing the movie with the book. Or just completely misremembering everything. >_>

In the movie, he gets owned on his way to yell at Denethor. In the book, he confronts the WK at the gate to the City. Both times the meeting is cut short.
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:09:12 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 047
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Are they defending? <_<

No, they're hitting me for 3 damage while I'm hitting 0s. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:13:18 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 048
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
See, the funny thing is that I just remembered that I have LotR behind some things on this computer desk so I could have checked the Gandalf/Witch-King confrontation before. >_>

Anyway, thanks for the hints, even though I took way too long in puzzling them out. >_>
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/2/2010 3:14:13 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 049
Level: 43
Editor
Shops need an item with no class restrictions that grants MDEF. <_<
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:16:44 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 050
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Shops need an item with no class restrictions that grants MDEF. <_<

Added: Magic Booklet
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:16:48 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 051
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Hey, wait a fucking minute. Kenri might be right.

Giant Squid is defending!
Giant Squid attacked Alex, dealing 3 damage!
Damien attacked Giant Squid, dealing 0 damage!
Kain attacked Giant Squid, dealing 0 damage!
Irvine attacked Giant Squid, dealing 0 damage!

There is only one Squid in this fight. Why does he get two turns? >_> I just now noticed he keeps doing this every turn.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:18:37 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 052
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Giant Squid takes two turns.

Also, I've added Squirrels in the fields surrounding The White City. They're low gold/exp but they're really weak.
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/2/2010 3:19:16 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 053
Level: 43
Editor
Why does he get two turns?

because he has eight arms

eight arms to killing you
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:19:59 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 054
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
When did they start getting two turns? O_o He wasn't doing that earlier.

because he has eight arms

eight arms to killing you


Oh, right. Carry on.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:20:19 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 055
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
He wasn't doing that earlier.

Modified for the awesome.
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:21:55 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 056
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Squirrel is defending!
Squirrel is defending!
Squirrel attacked Alex, dealing 0 damage!
Squirrel attacked Irvine, dealing 0 damage!
Irvine attacked Squirrel, dealing 0 damage!
Kain attacked Squirrel, dealing 0 damage!
Damien attacked Squirrel, dealing 0 damage!

Goddammit I hate you.
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"Enough is enough! I have had it with these monkey-fighting snakes on this Monday-to-Friday plane!" - TV Edited Snakes on a Plane
Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/2/2010 3:22:12 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 057
Level: 43
Editor
...

the squirrel is too hardcore

Mastermind trampled Squirrel, dealing 0 damage!

I mean, it was defending, but...
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:22:57 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 058
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
It's not even supposed to know how to defend.
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:25:32 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 059
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
You've earned 84 gold and 61 experience points.

... I fucking love Squirrels. So much easier than the fish swarms from hell.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 3:27:11 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 060
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
The problem with Scorp's character should be fixed. This was, coincidentally, most likely the same problem a few users were experiencing in v.<3. It happened because I didn't realize the id fields for players and allies were different data types.

oi
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
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