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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 8:40:38 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 151
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Sorlit is base 50 exp. The formula takes the absolute value, so if you have a huge negative NDPT it'll treat it like a huge positive and you'll lose exp. This kind of makes sense but it's really a bit steep.

Sorlit being 50 base EXP when I can get on average 40 EXP from Squirrels while one shotting a large group of them in a turn or two is pretty terrible. It should probably be a minimum of like 100 EXP if anything.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 8:42:44 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 152
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Sorlit being 50 base EXP when I can get on average 40 EXP from Squirrels while one shotting a large group of them in a turn or two is pretty terrible. It should probably be a minimum of like 100 EXP if anything.

Squirrels give less exp as you get better. Sorlit gives more exp as you get better.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 8:50:50 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 153
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
The "who gets what" problem in the shop should be fixed, although I didn't test it thoroughly. The problem was that that particular part of the page was not part of any of the forms, so it wasn't getting submit along with item purchases; the solution was to bust out the AJAX.

Also, I'll happily take any suggestions on how exp should be curved. I just chose ln() and ln()^-.5 because those functions came first to me. >_>
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 8:52:39 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 154
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
The Squirrels have been giving me that steady EXP since I bought my mounts and it hasn't gone down at all as I've gotten better. <_<

Also...

Cute Skirt Our official stance on male clerics is that they do not exist.
DEF -5. SP +10. Level 10. Weaver.

whowhat?

And also...

Iron Coat So heavy. :/
DEF +20. Warrior.

... Why is that a level 1 Warrior armor when it's better than like everything up to Level 14? I also seem to recall that used to be a Soldier armor since they have the rest of the Iron set and not Warriors.

EDIT: I'm also pretty sure that used to have a SPD loss on it too, hence the heavy remark in the description. But I could be wrong. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 8:58:55 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 155
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Cute Skirt has been changed.

So has Iron Coat.

Also, Mildly Heavy Riding Spear has been added to make up for the apparent loss.

But I could be wrong. >_>

I don't think it did. :\
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:03:40 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 156
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Speaking of spears. That reminds me of something.

Light Spear Far superior to the heavy version.
ATK +30. SPD -10. Level 18. Horseman.

If that's superior to the heavy version (which doesn't exist) why is it -10 SPD still? Shouldn't it be like +10 or no loss at all?

EDIT:

Mildly Heavy Riding Spear Make sure you don't fall off your horse!
ATK +25. HP +5. SPD -5. Level Horseman.

... Okay, for a level 18 spear, the Light Spear should definitely be +10 SPD and probably around 45ish ATK over that. <_< That spear is sadly better than every Horseman weapon of a higher level requirement.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:05:47 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 157
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Yeah, that description is odd, all things considered.

The speed loss is also fairly bizarre.

Any suggestions for what it should be?

EDIT: Nevermind. >_>
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:07:10 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 158
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
EDIT: Nevermind. >_>

XD

I've also noticed Pirates are in horribly bad need of gear. Maybe I'll work on that sometime. Pirate/Horseman better lead to something good too. <_<
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:08:52 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 159
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Pirate/Horseman better lead to something good too.

It doesn't. >_>

... Okay, for a level 18 spear, the Light Spear should definitely be 10 SPD and probably around 45ish ATK over that. <_< That spear is sadly better than every Horseman weapon of a higher level requirement.

I think 5 SPD, 35 ATK would work; we don't want to go overboard, here. >_>
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:10:35 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 160
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I think 5 SPD, 35 ATK would work; we don't want to go overboard, here. >_>

Well, it is a level 18 spear and Soldiers have a 45 Atk Sword at like level 17. That was mainly my basis for that estimate.

It doesn't. >_>

WHHHHHHYYYYYYY
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:12:48 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 161
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Kain attacked Beaver, dealing 117 damage!
Beaver was killed!
Squirrel attacked Draco, dealing 3 damage!
Beaver attacked Alex, dealing 0 damage!
Squirrel attacked Kain, dealing 0 damage!
Alex attacked Beaver, dealing 11 damage!
Beaver attacked Alex, dealing 0 damage!
Beaver attacked Damien, dealing 0 damage!
Irvine attacked Squirrel, dealing 127 damage!
Squirrel was killed!
Atronach attacked Beaver, dealing 20 damage!
Beaver was killed! Nightmare attacked Squirrel, dealing 14 damage!
Vilramid attacked Squirrel, dealing 16 damage!
Squirrel was killed!
Draco attacked Beaver, dealing 5 damage!
Damien attacked Beaver, dealing 178 damage!
Beaver was killed!

Kain attacked Beaver, dealing 116 damage!
Beaver was killed!

You've earned 44 gold and 41 experience points.

How much stronger do I need to be for them to stop giving great EXP again? <_<
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:18:09 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 162
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Well, it is a level 18 spear and Soldiers have a 45 Atk Sword at like level 17. That was mainly my basis for that estimate.

Yeah, but... Horsemen aren't Soldiers. >_>

How much stronger do I need to be for them to stop giving great EXP again? <_<

0_o I don't even know what's going on here.
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"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:19:48 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 163
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Yeah, but... Horsemen aren't Soldiers. >_>

Trample's level of awesome next to Smash would like to disagree with you.

0_o I don't even know what's going on here.

Clearly, my team is breaking your EXP system. And if you fix this, I demand my Island Turtles return. :(
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:21:42 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 164
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I don't even know why Trample is so awes-

//If the caster is mounted, multiply the damage by eight.

Oh. That's probably why.

Clearly, my team is breaking your EXP system.

=(

And if you fix this, I demand my Island Turtles return. :(

They'd have to be put on some islands.
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"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 9:29:08 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 165
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
They'd have to be put on some islands.

I have no complaints.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/2/2010 10:35:55 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 166
Level: 43
Editor
Those undefined index things are your Sturdy Mare. Are you trying to defend with it?

Not when I was getting those particular errors. Though I did get similar errors when trying to defend with my mounts, yeah. (Post 144)


Keep in mind also that third classes don't necessarily have to be a conception combination of their bases; they can be totally different.

Right, I'm just throwing the idea ball around. >_>


None of those spells deal with MATK. What items have you unequipped?

Right now?

Class:Warrior
Helm:Dragon Headband
Scarf:Helios Amulet
Wings:
Misc.:
Doll:
Weapon:Metal Club

Shield:
Gloves:
Book:Magic Booklet
Armor:Iron Coat
Legs:Wolfskin Leggings
Boots:
Mount:

None of which should affect MATK. None of the items I used to have equipped (which I can't check since I got rid of most of them) should have affected it either, positively or negatively.

Edit: Oh hey it would help if I could read. But, yeah, like I said, none of the items Apprentices have give boosts or deboosts to MATK, unless they do so invisibly. I know I had the Sandwhich Knuckles and then Getter Knuckles equipped, and the Keikogi. And the Rider's Helm at some point. Not sure what else. *shrug*


Widening Slash Sorlit

terrifying
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/2/2010 10:40:39 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 167
Level: 43
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Cute Skirt Our official stance on male clerics is that they do not exist.
DEF -5. SP +10. Level 10. Weaver.


IIRC, this used to be for Enlightened, which might not even exist anymore, and the description was just me being silly.

Edit: Nope, I'm wrong. Originally, it was for Clerics "and possibly Weavers also", so yeah.


I've also noticed Pirates are in horribly bad need of gear. Maybe I'll work on that sometime.

That reminds me, we should probably divvy up the classes at some point. Though I'm hesitant to make any equipment without testing further and getting a better feel for what's balanced.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 10:54:36 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 168
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
which might not even exist anymore

It does, but it hasn't been defined for third classes yet, so...

None of which should affect MATK.

Then I have no idea what happened. 0_o

Though I did get similar errors when trying to defend with my mounts, yeah.

I wish I would get the same errors everyone else is getting. =(

EDIT: But anyway, Kenri, send me the source of your battlepage (make sure your mounts are all alive!) like I asked Scorp to. seraphim7@gmail.com
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~ Ogordemir ~
"The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/2/2010 10:57:57 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 169
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
That reminds me, we should probably divvy up the classes at some point. Though I'm hesitant to make any equipment without testing further and getting a better feel for what's balanced.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm still doing. I've noticed Horseman is probably the most developed of the not third class classes. Maybe Warrior too, but the others are horribly lacking in gear. The ones that definitely need work are Initiate, Pirate, etc.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/2/2010 11:14:47 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 170
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Druids have absolutely nothing.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/2/2010 11:40:40 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 171
Level: 43
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Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm still doing. I've noticed Horseman is probably the most developed of the not third class classes. Maybe Warrior too, but the others are horribly lacking in gear. The ones that definitely need work are Initiate, Pirate, etc.

Archers have some pretty great stuff too.


EDIT: But anyway, Kenri, send me the source of your battlepage (make sure your mounts are all alive!) like I asked Scorp to.

For any random battle, or a battle with Sorlit (the only place I was getting those errors), or any battle with my mounts trying to defend (where I was getting the other errors)?

Edit: Never mind, sent the source for a battle with Sorlit. If you need something else, just let me know.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/2/2010 11:51:14 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 172
Level: 43
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On a side note, Scorp, help me remember who had which classes during v.<3. <_<

Soldier = I think you had this
Pikeman = I think I had this
Spiremage = I had this
Weaver = You had this
Warrior = I think you had this
Summoner = You had this
Ninja = I dunno lol
Spellbinder = You had this
Cleric = I dunno lol
Archer = I think Ogor did almost everything for this
Horseman = I had this
Tamer = I had this
Bard/Dancer = I had this
Apprentice = I had this
Druid = Unassigned
Pirate = Unassigned
Initiate = Unassigned
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/3/2010 12:42:47 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 173
Level: 43
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Out of curiosity, I tried xp's item explosion glitch with stat points.

Good news: It doesn't work.
Bad(?) news: It rounds up how many stat points it takes, then rounds down how much it increases your stats. So allocating 1.1 stat points to ATK gives you +1 ATK, but you lose 2 stat points. This is really a problem since if you're trying to exploit the game like that, you sorta deserve it, but it's still kinda silly. <_<
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xp1337 Posted: 1/3/2010 12:50:42 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 174
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Kind of hilarious, you mean.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/3/2010 1:02:50 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 175
Level: 43
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I don't see how it's hilarious.

Now, if it had, like, removed all my ATK points for some reason, THEN it would be hilarious.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 1/3/2010 1:07:03 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 176
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Out of curiosity, I tried xp's item explosion glitch with stat points.

Good news: It doesn't work.
Bad(?) news: It rounds up how many stat points it takes, then rounds down how much it increases your stats. So allocating 1.1 stat points to ATK gives you +1 ATK, but you lose 2 stat points. This is really a problem since if you're trying to exploit the game like that, you sorta deserve it, but it's still kinda silly. <_<


I did that earlier and forgot I did it, so my Cleric is missing some stat points. >_> But it's no biggie.

I had uh...

Soldier, Weaver, Warrior, Summoner, Spellbinder, Cleric (at least I remember doing gear for it) and that's it for the base classes although I did Paladin and stuff too and that's where I had the majority of other stuff.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/3/2010 1:18:09 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 177
Level: 43
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Cleric (at least I remember doing gear for it)

We might have both had Cleric.

Actually, I think Ogor did some Cleric stuff too, so maybe it was just first come first serve. <_<

Anyway, I'd like Druid, but you can have Pirate and Initiate if you want. (If you don't want Pirate I'd gladly take that too, though. >_>) There are, of course, the other zillion classes, but it's probably a bit too early to start worrying about those.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/3/2010 1:38:49 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 178
Level: 43
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Respite (the Cleric spell) doesn't work.

Unless it's supposed to stop everything and not just physical attacks.
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xp1337 Posted: 1/3/2010 1:57:38 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 179
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I tried to see what this Sorlit hype was, and though I can nearly beat it without mounts (because walking around on the overworld without mounts is what all true heroes strive for), and decided to see if my Ninja's Vanish would help.

Unknown column 'fade' in 'field list'

Whoops.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 1/3/2010 2:08:57 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 180
Level: 43
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(because walking around on the overworld without mounts is what all true heroes strive for)

GREAT! I'll get my stuff!
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