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| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/2/2007 10:43:36 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 001 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Would you kindly check the calender? Some of you savvy readers might notice that this update was in fact finished on the second of September, not the first as advertised in the topic title. On the other hand, smart readers would also notice that Ogor does what Ogor wants. What's new? Professions. To be exact, three professions have been introduced at their very basic level: Mining, Research and Development, and Crafting. Currently, only the first two can do anything, but that's fine because craftsmen can't accomplish much unless those first two fine groups of workmen make way for progress beforehand. The reason for this is SS's production cycle: first somebody comes up with some glorious idea, then somebody harvests the materials required for that idea to translate to the real world, and only lastly do we hire a translator. Here, in short, is how each profession contributes to the production cycle. Research and Development R&Ders are responsible for creating the theoretical blueprints for spells and equipment. This is done in three steps: first, you purchase a charter; second, you fill out or complete that charter according to your whims and the charter's limitations; and lastly, you wait for me to approve that charter and the spell or equipment to be created. In other words, it's a formalized system for doing what you all have been doing in this forum. Like the government system, this won't replace the board-based suggestion system, as that determines what is available in game shops. R&Ders will get a commission every time an item they have conceived is sold, and only craftsmen can create R&D-based items. Currently, the only charter available is a prototypical form of the Standard Charter, but this will of course change in the future. Additionally, the eventual advent of R&D-sponsored spells will probably require R&Ders to learn a custom scripting language. Mining Mining is also a three-step process: step one, you buy stuff; step two, you assign that stuff to a specific field; step three, you wait for your nightly share of the material harvest. Mining is currently the simplest and most expensive profession. The Standard Drill, the only mining tool currently available, is priced at 500,000 gold. Crafting Crafting is a simple but chancy job. Until architects exist as a profession, craftsmen will have no access to a list of requirements for each possible craftable item - they won't even have a list of those items themselves. Even if the craftsman has some inkling of the necessary materials and their mandatory qualities and recommendable quantities, there's some chance involved in the crafting regardless. (The chances of successfully crafting an item are given by the makeshift algorithm: IF [(random number (between the sum of each material's quality and the success rate) + the sum of all materials used It's highly probable that this will change.) Regardless, the only thing craftsmen can do right now is experiment with random materials to see if anything works, so go ahead. Note that crafting has not been connected with the consumption of materials thus far, which means you don't have to actually own the materials you're attempting to use in order to try them out. How do I get a profession? In order to join a profession, you must pay either 10% of your gold at the moment or 1,000 gold, whichever is greater. If you wish to change your profession, you can do so by paying the fee again - if you ever decide to switch back, your charters, mining equipment, and so on will be there waiting for you, barring some unusual event that deletes them. To join the Research and Development profession, go to field 43; to join the Mining profession, go to field 41; and to join the Crafting profession, go to field 39. What else is new? Alliances have finally found a place in management.php, and in the process of adding them I added a touch of CSS to make things more organized in several places, though I couldn't say the application is at all uniform. Most noticeably, non-user shops have gotten a nicer - and possibly more annoying - interface. You can now buy and sell items of variable quantities (misc items) in your shops. This was done primarily to allow people to buy and sell crafting materials. There have also been two notable changes to the battle system. In PvE, and PvP at the next update, damage is now computed by taking the absolute value of the sine of the original quantity multiplied by some random percentage and subtracting it from the original quantity. The only effect this has at present is the injection of some variance and chance into the system, but in the future the shape of the sine graph, its significance, and other details will be manipulated by equipment. I will also probably introduce some form of weapon/armor experience: i.e., swordsmanship, shielding, and so on, unless there are objections to this. The second notable change involves race-based damage bonuses, which are exactly what they sound like. Certain races are connected with certain spell alignments, so when a character casts an aligned spell, any damage that spell would have done is increased by a small percentage. These percentages and alignments are not completely set in stone, and input is welcome as usual. Other changes have been made for some sort of efficiency benefit: e.g., the PvE and PvP spell lists have been placed in a single location, which I should have done from the outset but didn't because I'm not smart enough. Why am I getting more gold than before? Due to the lack of membership in Alliances and also the lack of care, I appointed myself Prime Minister, and as my first act, I raised gold loot rates by 900% in order to get people enough money to buy things. This rate will stay like this until someone can afford a Drill. Any predictions on future updates? The profession system needs to be streamlined and expanded, the quest system needs massive server-side improvements, PvP needs a small structural update, a trading system needs to be put into place, the government system needs to be brought into a coherent state, and I intend to introduce a new sort of ally, not to mention various other changes that need be made - and where are those ships and pirates I was talking about a year ago? I plan on having all of this done by version 3.0, which should be released on the 1.0 version's anniversary and my 18th birthday, provided of course I don't develop an addiction to some debilitating drug - bathroom sex, for instance - in the interim. I'll probably start adding classes, spells, items, and content to the storyline when the quest system is revamped so it's not such a pain to navigate through the horrible code. Anything significant about the first of September? No, but August 23rd is the beta's one-year anniversary. The More You Know ASCII goes here. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/2/2007 10:47:19 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 002 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Also, fun fact: you all have the same amount of gold. What caused this is beyond me. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Tengu Ghost | Posted: 9/2/2007 2:14:06 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 003 |
| Level: 37 Advanced | Yea somethings screwed up ogor. I tried killing a island turtle and my dragoon has besrek but every time I click on attack I get tengu attacks doing 0 damge bej attacks doing 0 damage painful knight cast Valkyrie spear draining island turtle of so much sp. But my Dragoon never attacks even when he he is suppose to. WTF is up with that? Just tested to see if it was a glitch on the island turtles but it's not. cause I set my other 3 guys to defend and my dragoon to attack and nothing. So if you don't mind fix this as my dragoon is my most powerful guy. --- Love me or love to hate me either way you love me. Become one of my werewolf's http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=84485 http://www.freewebs.com/goddeathot/index.htm <---- good open tibia server. Thats the home page please try it we need players |
| Kenri of the Yuri | Posted: 9/2/2007 7:01:33 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 004 |
| Level: 43 Editor | provided of course I don't develop an addiction to some debilitating drug - bathroom sex, for instance - in the interim. What. --- "Allow ME to interject: TFN does not die immediately because you get banned. Your banning would unleash a disease that would slowly eat TFN from the inside until your reinstatement or the site's eventual, decidedly painful death." ~Ogor, to me |
| Kenri of the Yuri | Posted: 9/2/2007 7:18:03 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 005 |
| Level: 43 Editor | Due to the lack of membership in Alliances and also the lack of care, I appointed myself Prime Minister, and as my first act, I raised gold loot rates by 900% in order to get people enough money to buy things. This rate will stay like this until someone can afford a Drill. I just bought a Drill. Loot rates can return to normal now. --- "Allow ME to interject: TFN does not die immediately because you get banned. Your banning would unleash a disease that would slowly eat TFN from the inside until your reinstatement or the site's eventual, decidedly painful death." ~Ogor, to me |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/2/2007 7:30:57 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 006 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Not much stir today. So if you don't mind fix this I don't quite know what there is to fix. If the problem is relegated to Island Turtles, then it's not a problem with the code, so try hunting something else. Regardless, I'll need a log of the battle. What. Larry Craig reference. I just bought a Drill. Loot rates can return to normal now. Dear God that was quick. Inflation is now at 120%, then. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Mega Sonic | Posted: 9/2/2007 8:20:09 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 007 |
| Level: 44 DSB Moderator | Kenri's lame and his vote doesn't count, loot should remain at 900% Not that I'd play SS if it did, I still have Metroid Prime 3 and other games to play. <_< --- Mega Sonic Endut! Hoch Hech! |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/2/2007 8:33:17 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 008 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | I still have Metroid Prime 3 and other games to play. <_< Of course. I don't expect anyone to play until I get everything, especially the quest system, up and running, anyway; I do however expect some sort of feedback from you people. >_> ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Tengu Ghost | Posted: 9/2/2007 9:58:34 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 009 |
| Level: 37 Advanced | Ogor it's not just island tutrles cause I tested it on queen karrkens and my dragoon never did ANYTHING. --- Love me or love to hate me either way you love me. Become one of my werewolf's http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=84485 http://www.freewebs.com/goddeathot/index.htm <---- good open tibia server. Thats the home page please try it we need players |
| Tengu Ghost | Posted: 9/2/2007 10:01:13 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 010 |
| Level: 37 Advanced | Due to the lack of membership in Alliances and also the lack of care, I appointed myself Prime Minister, and as my first act, I raised gold loot rates by 900% in order to get people enough money to buy things. This rate will stay like this until someone can afford a Drill. I just bought a Drill. Loot rates can return to normal now. DAMN YOU KENRI,DAMN YOU TO HELL. Why did you have to go and admit to buying a drill I liked the high loot rate. --- Love me or love to hate me either way you love me. Become one of my werewolf's http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=84485 http://www.freewebs.com/goddeathot/index.htm <---- good open tibia server. Thats the home page please try it we need players |
| Mega Sonic | Posted: 9/2/2007 10:47:20 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 011 |
| Level: 44 DSB Moderator | yeah Kenri is lame keep high loot rates --- Mega Sonic Endut! Hoch Hech! |
| Kenri of the Yuri | Posted: 9/2/2007 10:59:20 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 012 |
| Level: 43 Editor | Yeah, go ahead and keep them. It took me 15 minutes to earn 550k gold, that can't be bad for the game's economy! >_> --- "Allow ME to interject: TFN does not die immediately because you get banned. Your banning would unleash a disease that would slowly eat TFN from the inside until your reinstatement or the site's eventual, decidedly painful death." ~Ogor, to me |
| Tengu Ghost | Posted: 9/2/2007 11:14:32 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 013 |
| Level: 37 Advanced | What economy we don't sell to players xD --- Love me or love to hate me either way you love me. Become one of my werewolf's http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=84485 http://www.freewebs.com/goddeathot/index.htm <---- good open tibia server. Thats the home page please try it we need players |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/3/2007 1:46:48 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 014 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Ogor it's not just island tutrles cause I tested it on queen karrkens and my dragoon never did ANYTHING. Logs, again, would be very helpful. Actually, scratch that, I'll just log your battles myself. It took me 15 minutes to earn 550k gold, that can't be bad for the game's economy! >_> Short-term inflation is relatively balanced by a removal of funds from the system via the structure of professional goods (mostly the Drill for now). It was actually somewhat necessary to implement skyrocketing monetary inflation in this situation, or nobody could do anything professional for an extended period of time. Once I feel like an election could actually succeed, I'll have to introduce more inflation in order to get enough money into the system to make running for a post affordable. Now, if I had left loot levels a 900% gold for, say, three days, that would probably screw everything up. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/3/2007 1:53:41 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 015 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Oh, and the reason that you all had the same quantity of gold is, I think, that somebody bought Kenri's pony. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Tengu Ghost | Posted: 9/3/2007 2:12:13 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 016 |
| Level: 37 Advanced | Well if you are recording my battle logs i just did a few battles and again my dragoon did NOTHING i need him as he is my most powerful char. --- Love me or love to hate me either way you love me. Become one of my werewolf's http://s3.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=84485 http://www.freewebs.com/goddeathot/index.htm <---- good open tibia server. Thats the home page please try it we need players |
| Kenri of the Yuri | Posted: 9/3/2007 2:49:29 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 017 |
| Level: 43 Editor | Oh, and the reason that you all had the same quantity of gold is, I think, that somebody bought Kenri's pony. ...And why did this give us all the same amount of gold? Regardless, I retained my correct amount of gold, I believe. Except I never got however much I was charging for my pony. <_< --- "Allow ME to interject: TFN does not die immediately because you get banned. Your banning would unleash a disease that would slowly eat TFN from the inside until your reinstatement or the site's eventual, decidedly painful death." ~Ogor, to me |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/3/2007 3:03:44 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 018 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | ...And why did this give us all the same amount of gold? I failed to specify who was paying the money, so everyone ended up with the same amount of gold as the purchaser. Except I never got however much I was charging for my pony. ... I may have forgotten that part. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| THS Ruler | Posted: 9/3/2007 4:46:15 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 019 |
| Level: 30 Legend | I read all this from my cell phone last night. <_< I was thinking that the anniversary was coming up, just forgot when exactly. damage is now computed by taking the absolute value of the sine of the original quantity multiplied by some random percentage and subtracting it from the original quantity. Is this the reason for the poll? ___ The bitch is back. "Now we are engaged in grade school war chest..." - Vista |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/3/2007 6:45:26 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 020 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Is this the reason for the poll? Not the reason for it, but the inspiration. I was looking for a cool-sounding periodic function PHP could compute on its own - you know, because I'm lazy - so I chose sine. Cosine would probably have been a better choice, but it doesn't really matter because the graph will end up shifting anyway. My feeble knowledge of 8th-grade trigonometry has really pulled through for me here. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| ns1987 | Posted: 9/4/2007 10:55:10 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 021 |
| Level: 40 Special | New job for j00se - reprogramm travian.com >_> ~~~ No, I don't own the Flux. |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/5/2007 2:51:53 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 022 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | I don't know what that is. >_> Nice to see you pop out of the woodwork though. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Link Dude | Posted: 9/8/2007 4:12:33 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 023 |
| Level: 7 Provisional | Fuck, I missed the 900% inflation. --- http://www.thebrink.us/boards/index.php Join the Brink today! |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/8/2007 4:13:23 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 024 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | It'll probably come back in the future. >_> ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| The Undertaker | Posted: 9/8/2007 4:15:45 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 025 |
| Level: 30 Legend | Not soon enough to interest me enough to resume the most boring version of grinding I've ever experienced. --- "Those are only my precious hands you're standing on." Black Mage |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/8/2007 4:17:38 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 026 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | I'll take that as a tautology. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| The Undertaker | Posted: 9/8/2007 4:18:37 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 027 |
| Level: 30 Legend | I'll assume that's another word for insult. Also, give me some otherwise unattainable item like others in the game. Just do it. --- "Those are only my precious hands you're standing on." Black Mage |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/8/2007 4:23:28 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 028 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Technically a tautology is a redundant use of words: like, say, saying SS is a horrible grindfest. Just do it. Perhaps I will. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu |
| Kenri of the Yuri | Posted: 9/8/2007 4:39:07 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 029 |
| Level: 43 Editor | So how does this drilling work, exactly? I set my drill up in field 42 >_> and left it there... Now I check my History and see: 0: The Standard Drill in field 42 unearthed 1 Coal. 1: The Standard Drill in field 42 unearthed 1 Coal. wtf does that mean, though? Am I getting gold for this? Or is Coal an actual item? Will different fields yield more Coal or things better than Coal? I AM CONFUZZLED --- "Allow ME to interject: TFN does not die immediately because you get banned. Your banning would unleash a disease that would slowly eat TFN from the inside until your reinstatement or the site's eventual, decidedly painful death." ~Ogor, to me |
| Ogordemir99 | Posted: 9/8/2007 4:54:44 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 030 |
| Level: 49 Liberal Arts Major | Like the crafting system, the mineral system isn't complete; e.g., it doesn't have any quality to it. (Although I think I'll just eliminate quality on the grounds that it's overcomplicated and only marginally useful.) However, you are getting actual items, and you could in theory sell these actual items except they're not in the database so that would cause several errors and probably just end with your minerals being gone (I'll tell you all when this is fixed). You can see what minerals you have by going to your player's misc items in items.php, assuming you haven't moved them to an ally. Each field has a certain probability of yielding a number of items. For instance, in field 42, you have a 21/81 chance of getting coal and a 28/81 chance of getting ore. These probabilities are randomly generated, but the upper areas (2600+) don't have anything as of right now. Generally, the rarest items are solaris, lunaris, refleris, and platinum, and the most common are ore, coal, and iron. ___ ~ Ogordemir ~ "The sciences have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." ~ H.P Lovecraft, The Call of Cthulhu Message last edited by Ogordemir99 on 9/8/2007 at 12:55:48 AM |
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