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Celtic Guardian 7 Posted: 12/1/2013 6:05:14 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 001
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...did everything in spoiler tags get pretty much cut down? I was trying to look at some old write ups I did and whenever I click the spoiler section, only a couple of lines show up and get abruptly cut off.
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xp1337 Posted: 12/1/2013 6:14:33 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 002
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Pretty sure it's just you. I'm not noticing any problems with spoiler tags.
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Kodan Posted: 12/1/2013 9:22:14 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 003
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CG posted! Amazing!

Yeah, somethings up with your PC. I checked a bunch of topics and hit the spoiler tags and they're working.
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Celtic Guardian 7 Posted: 12/1/2013 4:56:58 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 004
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I still exist, just been ridiculously busy lately. ;)

Oh good, glad to hear that. I was worried all my writing was gone. XP Thank you!
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 12/4/2013 5:21:53 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 005
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Could you provide some links to pages you're having trouble with?
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xp1337 Posted: 12/28/2013 7:06:43 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 006
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I actually found such a link by total chance today.

http://thefluxnet.com/boards/detail.php?board=9&topic=4161&message=123897
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 12/28/2013 9:26:35 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 007
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That works for me.
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Kodan Posted: 12/28/2013 11:12:06 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 008
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Yeah, I see what XP is talking about.

It's cut off at the bottom when you click spoiler tags.

He has no sig and this seems to cut off in mid sentence

[JUNIOR enters.]

Jr.: lol whoops eavesdropping again.
Ziggy: It's fine, I gave up on caring a long time ago. MOMO, I

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Ogordemir99 Posted: 12/28/2013 5:59:13 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 009
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Oh that's not good
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Kodan Posted: 12/29/2013 12:50:38 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 010
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^

I vote for that to be TFN's new motto.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 12/29/2013 1:00:29 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 011
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It does seem to characterize most of what ever happens around here.
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xp1337 Posted: 12/29/2013 4:57:54 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 012
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Yeah, sorry if that wasn't clear. Kodan is pointing out what I meant.
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Kodan Posted: 12/29/2013 9:52:48 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 013
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KODAN USEFUL!
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Kodan Posted: 1/3/2014 6:02:44 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 014
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v504/Kodan882/Untitled3_zps837b8c52.png

This has been happening to TFN all day. It renders in plain text until I refresh.
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xp1337 Posted: 1/4/2014 9:29:52 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 015
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Can't be totally sure this is the same thing as what Kodan is talking about, but the timing (today) fits.

Lately, when I refresh sometimes Firefox will interrupt and prevent it on the basis that it's stopping the page from automatically refreshing (which shouldn't be true because this happens on manual refreshes.)

Not sure if that helps any, or indeed, if it's even the same thing, but it'd be an odd coincidence if they're unrelated and yet sprung up at the same time.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/4/2014 7:35:30 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 016
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This has been happening to TFN all day. It renders in plain text until I refresh.

This just started? That looks like an unloaded stylesheet. This may be a side effect of my disabling most of the Javascript the site was using.

Lately, when I refresh sometimes Firefox will interrupt and prevent it on the basis that it's stopping the page from automatically refreshing (which shouldn't be true because this happens on manual refreshes.)

Not sure if that helps any, or indeed, if it's even the same thing, but it'd be an odd coincidence if they're unrelated and yet sprung up at the same time.


That's totally bizarre; I can't imagine it's related. This only happens on TFN?
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xp1337 Posted: 1/5/2014 4:22:34 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 017
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Yeah, only on TFN.

Could it be the host did something weird or something? I mean, again, could be a really weird coincidence, but that'd be some weird timing!
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 1/6/2014 9:11:31 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 018
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It would be!

I actually don't know what the source of that error could be. I suspect it has something to do with Javascript, though, because that seems to be the root of Kodan's problem and that's also what usually brings up those alerts in Firefox.
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xp1337 Posted: 5/15/2014 9:28:25 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 019
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So, I was doing some on-and-off looking into this - the text abruptly cutting off thing that CG7 made the topic for, and I don't know if this at all helpful but here's what I've come up with so far.

Every instance of cutting off that I've found like this, when I viewed the source and jumped to where the cutoff was, there was a red "/td" (with the < and > brackets around it.) And hovering the cursor on it gave a little pop-up saying it found an end td tag and noted there were some open elements still. So, as far as I can tell it's erroneously reading an HTML tag that shouldn't be there? Maybe? And it cuts off everything past it.

As for it "just" happening with spoiler tagged stuff... I'm not so sure. If you want to find a lot of these errors, the vgmusic topic series is a great place to find them, and if it's a CG7 post the odds go up dramatically. Which is... interesting, but obviously I linked that Kenri example so it's happening to others.

But check this out: http://thefluxnet.com/boards/genmessage.php?page=9&board=13&topic=3982

Go to Posts 447, 449, and 450.

447 is a classic example of this phenomena, happening to CG7. It cuts off after the song name and there's no link or commentary on the song by her... which isn't right, check most of the rest of the topic to see how most things are formatted there.

But then me and Kenri clearly try to quote it in 449 and 450 and we're similarly cut-off.

Couple of things here:

1. There's a ton of examples in the vgmusic topics where if someone else quotes a cut-off post they are cut-off in the same spot. I'm just not linking a ton of them. That's not the only time.
2. CG7's original wasn't in spoilers and still got cut. Likewise for me and Kenri we get cut-off without using spoilers.

So I'm thinking there's more to it then "spoiler tagged stuff acting up occasionally." I don't know what causes it though. The vgmusic topic example pretty much suggests it isn't post length because I truly can't imagine any of those 3 posts being very long. They're certainly smaller than other posts, and likely this one.

What I'm interested is if someone by chance had exactly what they posted saved somewhere and could see if reposting it replicates the problem, but that sounds unlikely. And even if they did, HTML tags might be involved and if those aren't also put in the same spots it may not matter much.

If I had more time I might try to look into the latest confirmed case of this happening and see where it lines up with like... host changes or restoring from backups or something, but... yeah. That'd be a real pain I think.
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xp1337 Posted: 5/15/2014 9:35:42 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 020
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Actually, hold up. Just noticed something that may be even more interesting. Using that same link as before, 448 is also cut off. And here's why I think it's notable.

I'm almost certainly quoting CG7's Post 445 which is also cut-off. Except my cut-off in 448 happens regarding a part of her post that isn't even displaying there because it's part of what got chopped off.

Which makes me think that maybe whatever glitch is causing these cut-offs may not have entirely lost the data because I have a partial quote of some cut-off text there that just happens to annoyingly cut-off again. Because it seemingly "remembered" enough about the cut-off parts of her post to cause it to happen in my post on quoting her.

Or maybe it's just a coincidence but that seems unlikely. Unless I'm just totally off on what's going on here which is perfectly plausible.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 5/16/2014 2:42:04 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 021
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I'm glad you mentioned this in more depth because I actually realized the other day there's a message posted in a topic on the DSB that this happened to (had I not seen this topic again I never would have realized it's the same issue though, I thought it was an accident that may have happened from them editing the post in the past). It wasn't originally like that but at some point when this whole thing started it apparently retroactively happened to that post as well and just removed 90% of the post randomly.

http://thefluxnet.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=510&topic=2694

Post #21 is the one it happens to. I know some people can't see it, but Ogor can. In that post the trigger for the cutoff isn't even an HTML tag, it seems to be an apostrophe that causes it.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 5/16/2014 4:22:13 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 022
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Well, these results indicate that it wasn't necessarily message length that caused the data to truncate, but it was something, because the database entries for those messages cuts off in the same place. It's not a rendering problem.

I'd need to check the raw DB backup to see if the data's still there, but if I still have that, it's on my old computer, so it'll be a while until I can do that. My assumption, though, is that this data is sadly unrecoverable.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 5/16/2014 4:56:03 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 023
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That is very sad.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 5/16/2014 11:19:42 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 024
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This is one of the many reasons I didn't want to move the DB in the first place. (Another was laziness.)
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xp1337 Posted: 5/20/2014 10:57:06 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 025
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I see.

Huh, that's kinda weird. But then, this whole thing kind of always was. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 5/21/2014 11:47:37 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 026
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Now that I'm home, I managed to retrieve the old database and, lo and behold, its contents are not truncated. This means I will be able to recover the lost messages. To make it easier to do so, whenever you encounter a truncated post, give me the messageid. (Click "Message Detail" and give me the number after "message=" in the URL.) I can then find and reupload the original message.

I also know how this happened. Since the messages table is ginormous (technical term), I couldn't upload it through a browser, as it would time out, so I used a script to break it into pieces and uploaded it that way. This script apparently had great difficulty with characters like é.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 5/21/2014 8:04:58 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 027
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That kind of makes perfect sense, actually. >_>

76935 is the only ID of such a post that I've found DSB wise.
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xp1337 Posted: 5/31/2014 5:24:15 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 028
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I'm... not too sure when/if I'll have the time to get pretty comprehensive on finding a bunch of these. There's really only a couple of topic series I'd prioritize for it, but that's still a ton of posts.

So, unless there's a time limit for this it may be a long while before I report back. Rather try and collect most/all of them and do it in one post than just collect a few at a time.

...if there's a time limit i'm not sure what my plan is. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 6/1/2014 1:26:57 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 029
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There is no time limit. I don't even know when I'll start looking at this topic. >_>
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