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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/21/2006 10:38:25 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 091
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Butcher Punch.

OHKO if my ATK > your HP.

Oh no
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:39:06 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 092
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
It's called Butcher Punch or somesuch, and it's based on:

ATTACKER_ATK > DEFENDER_HP -> KO

It's been there for a while.

At any rate, Deathpulse makes any targeted attacks rather counterproductive, and Darkblast can kill something before it can even attack you, so I don't think Necromancers are particularly vulnerable.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:40:22 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 093
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Actually, I'm being forgetful. My memory doesn't last far past 12 hours. Sometimes less. ...Why am I in this topic?

Oh. Well, sorry for calling you ignorant. It's just this is about the tenth time I've had to say that. >_>

Oh, I know, but Level 130?

I was going to make it 300 partially as a joke because 30 is 10% of 300. Be glad you got 130. >_>

Even without the boost, it's annoying as hell to level up in the 70s, which is why I've basically stopped playing until we get Marutin back or something that serves his old purpose of being outside the restriction.

Maybe so, but still. You're already at 70, it's not that much farther compared to 300. Look at it as the glass being half full. Hell, you'll have something to help you get there when Ogor adds the other items I made. Skull of Ratha is rather good if my memory serves right.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/21/2006 10:41:49 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 094
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The best thing about Butcher Punch:

(Level: 15, Class: Warrior)

Quiver in fear.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:44:28 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 095
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
(Level: 15, Class: Warrior)

I apparently failed to calculate how fast Warriors would accumulate attack.

Ooops.
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xp1337 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:46:36 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 096
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
It's called Butcher Punch or somesuch, and it's based on:

ATTACKER_ATK > DEFENDER_HP -> KO

It's been there for a while.


Yeah, but it is striking me to be the Farsight of SS.

"Hey guys, let's make a anti-camper weapon by making a sniper that auto-tracks and shoots through walls for a OHKO. It's not like people will start camping with that instead. ...Oh ****."

>_>

At any rate, Deathpulse makes any targeted attacks rather counterproductive, and Darkblast can kill something before it can even attack you, so I don't think Necromancers are particularly vulnerable.

One day I'm going to have to ask you what all the Necromancer spells do. >_>

Except Dark Revival, I've got that one down. >_>

Oh. Well, sorry for calling you ignorant. It's just this is about the tenth time I've had to say that. >_>

Only 10? That's an accomp-Oh, right, the downtime, that explains it.

I was going to make it 300 partially as a joke because 30 is 10% of 300. Be glad you got 130. >_>

It'd be severely underpowered for a Level 300 weapon. =(

Look at it as the glass being half full.

Pessimism 4 lyfe

Hell, you'll have something to help you get there when Ogor adds the other items I made. Skull of Ratha is rather good if my memory serves right

Yeah, but hoping for an update doesn't seem too good... silly Ogor. =(

>_>
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xp1337 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:48:26 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 097
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major

The best thing about Butcher Punch:

(Level: 15, Class: Warrior)

Quiver in fear.


Nah.

I don't know who has more speed between Popeye and Luke, but either way I'd damn near bet Tear wins out of them all. >_>

Problem is, I've noticed that higher speed doesn't necissarily mean first move. My attack order like sto randomly change during battle every now and then.

Or at least it did, I haven't paid close attention in a while.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:48:54 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 098
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
One day I'm going to have to ask you what all the Necromancer spells do. >_>

I'd have to look them all up in the code, because even I don't know for sure.

Yeah, but hoping for an update doesn't seem too good... silly Ogor. =(

I'm working on one right now. Well, inbetween posting here. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:49:33 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 099
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
You skipped the best part of my post. =(

The Farsight comparison. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:51:11 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 100
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Which, in case you didn't get the other side, I was thinking it was made to force other players to actually care about some balance and HP so that that wouldn't be a weak spot, when in reality, all it does is encourage the Fighter to mass ATK (and perhaps in theory - SPD) and forget everything else.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:53:43 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 101
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
...You know, I should make an actual Gate of Destiny spell for Paladins with a chance to eat your opposing team, but in turn it kills the Paladin casting it and takes all SP from every other party member if it actually works. The chance of it working would only be 5% though. It'd also go before any other attacks. The main downside is that if it doesn't activate the entire party skips a turn, not just the Paladin.

... There will be a really powerful spell for Paladins eventually.. once I think of a good one.

I apparently failed to calculate how fast Warriors would accumulate attack.

Ooops.


Yeah.. That is a little fucked up to be a base class spell. Especially at that level requirement. No one said anything earlier because that was made during the Beta I believe and thus no one saw it as an issue. >_>

It'd be severely underpowered for a Level 300 weapon. =(

Yeah, considering the Excalibur II, a level 40 Paladin weapon is arguably almost tied with it. >_> The justification for it between a level 130 weapon is simple though. The EXP barrier. >_>

Which, in case you didn't get the other side, I was thinking it was made to force other players to actually care about some balance and HP so that that wouldn't be a weak spot, when in reality, all it does is encourage the Fighter to mass ATK (and perhaps in theory - SPD) and forget everything else.

I was doing that for a short while when I was raising Lynx, before I started giving him some DEF/MDEF. More proof that spell is kind of slightly broken.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/21/2006 10:54:34 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 102
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Random unrelated note: About the mount promotion system, I was thinking they'd upgrade at level 50 rather than 25, because they seem to level up a lot faster than normal.

Now, back to the topic at hand.

I don't know who has more speed between Popeye and Luke, but either way I'd damn near bet Tear wins out of them all. >_>

Luke has -85 SPD. I win easily. Tear has 70, and I think Popeye has around 60, so yeah.

Problem is, I've noticed that higher speed doesn't necissarily mean first move. My attack order like sto randomly change during battle every now and then.

Truth. I've been meaning to bring this up, but I keep forgetting.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:56:34 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 103
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Wait a minute..

I thought you weren't supposed to get EXP and Gold if you used Butcher Punch? >_> I just got both when I used it on Queen Kraken with my Paladin.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/21/2006 10:58:39 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 104
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Truth. I've been meaning to bring this up, but I keep forgetting.

That's probably because there are two kinds of spells:

- Standby class
- Standard class

Standby spells - counterspells, healing spells, other such things - are always cast before other spells and before attacks.

Yeah.. That is a little fucked up to be a base class spell. Especially at that level requirement. No one said anything earlier because that was made during the Beta I believe and thus no one saw it as an issue. >_>

It's balanced in the regular area because it doesn't give you experience or gold, but in PvP it's probably just stupid, if it can even be used in PvP. I will have to remedy this.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/21/2006 10:59:11 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 105
Level: 43
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Yeah.. That is a little fucked up to be a base class spell. Especially at that level requirement. No one said anything earlier because that was made during the Beta I believe and thus no one saw it as an issue. >_>

No kidding. When I made it, I was under the impression that it would be rare if a character got to their second class in less than a month, and thus couldn't accumulate stat points very fast (hence I believed that it wouldn't work 90% of the time).

Oops.

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xp1337 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:00:26 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 106
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
It's balanced in the regular area because it doesn't give you experience or gold

lol o wate, mirite?
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/21/2006 11:00:35 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 107
Level: 43
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It's balanced in the regular area because it doesn't give you experience or gold, but in PvP it's probably just stupid, if it can even be used in PvP. I will have to remedy this.

...It does give you EXP/Gold, though.

Oops.

Again.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:00:48 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 108
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
It's balanced in the regular area because it doesn't give you experience or gold, but in PvP it's probably just stupid, if it can even be used in PvP. I will have to remedy this.

Wrong, Ogor. >_> As I just said. It's giving me EXP and gold.

No kidding. When I made it, I was under the impression that it would be rare if a character got to their second class in less than a month, and thus couldn't accumulate stat points very fast (hence I believed that it wouldn't work 90% of the time).

Oops.


Blame Kenri is entirely accurate in this situation. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:00:56 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 109
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I thought you weren't supposed to get EXP and Gold if you used Butcher Punch? >_> I just got both when I used it on Queen Kraken with my Paladin.

0_0

No kidding. When I made it, I was under the impression that it would be rare if a character got to their second class in less than a month, and thus couldn't accumulate stat points very fast (hence I believed that it wouldn't work 90% of the time).

I was always a fan of rapid leveling. >_>
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Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
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xp1337 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:01:45 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 110
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I vote we assume that's how Kenri got most of his EXP/Gold and take it away from him.

By giving it to me.

Oh, and maybe give Scorp a bit of it since he realized that. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:02:41 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 111
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I was always a fan of rapid leveling. >_>

See guys, my power-gaming was what Ogor wanted!

Silly people with your, "You're making Ogor overwork!" arguments. =(
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xp1337 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:04:08 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 112
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I saw that, Scorp.

You shouldn't fear agreeing with me, it is the right decision. >_>
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:04:13 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 113
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
See guys, my power-gaming was what Ogor wanted!

Silly people with your, "You're making Ogor overwork!" arguments. =(


Overleveling =/= Rapid leveling. >_>

I vote we assume that's how Kenri got most of his EXP/Gold and take it away from him.

By giving it to me.

Oh, and maybe give Scorp a bit of it since he realized that. >_>


For once.. I support this plan. Except I should get the most for pointing it out.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:04:43 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 114
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I deleted it because it looked like I agreed with the wrong post, xp. >_>
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/21/2006 11:05:22 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 115
Level: 43
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Blame Kenri is entirely accurate in this situation. >_>

No shit, really? <_< As if warriors weren't broken enough.

My suggested fix for Butcher Punch:

Name: Butcher Punch
SP cost: 75
Cost: ?
Level: 10
Tier: Warlord
Description: Transforms the enemy into a butchershop.
Effect: If caster's ATK > target's HP, OHKO to target. Doesn't work in PvP. Has a 10% chance of backfiring and transforming the caster into a butchershop instead. Does grant EXP/Gold, though.

Changes it back to what it was originally supposed to be - a novelty spell.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:05:33 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 116
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Silly people with your, "You're making Ogor overwork!" arguments. =(

Actually, you're making me work, but I don't think you're overworking me, seeing as I'm not doing much at the moment.

Anyway.

Butcher Punch should be fixed in terms of EXP/Gold. Apparently setting the target's HP to 0 causes the damage function to create a reward. >_>
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Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/21/2006 11:07:21 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 117
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For the record, at the most, I've only used Butcher Punch 5 times, I believe.

Twice on Mother Krakens. Thrice on Queen Krakens.

So take that amount away if you want, it's a drop in the bucket to me. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:07:44 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 118
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
The EXP/Gold-giving Butcher Punch should be an update version of the spell. We'll call it Super Butcher Punch. >_>

Anyway, that would be a good spell for Berserkers.
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Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:08:02 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 119
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Not just yet, Ogor. It seems you broke Butcher Punch now.

Queen Kraken cast Energy Cylinder on Quistis Trepe, dealing 45 damage!
Quistis Trepe was killed!
Lynx's Butcher Punch transformed Queen Kraken into a butchershop!

but wait..!

Queen Kraken constricts Lynx! Lynx takes 44 damage from the pressure!
Lynx attacked Queen Kraken, dealing 368 points of damage.
Queen Kraken was killed!

BUTCHERSHOP QUEEN ATTACKED ME?! wtf mate.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/21/2006 11:08:23 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 120
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
And I won't go through the trouble of taking away anything. Too lazy, you see.
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