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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/25/2006 9:07:29 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 181
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Yes. And here's why.

Their current best weapon sucks.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/25/2006 9:15:04 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 182
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Alone, yes. Not when combined with all of the attack boosts, as shown in the above post. When you can break 400 attack with only 180 points actually pooled into Attack.. You don't need a bigger boost quite yet. This may change depending on how difficult the new monsters become. So, not right this moment. It depends on the unknown factors right now.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/25/2006 9:25:34 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 183
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You know, you're like the A-Bomb. We're all laughing, having a good time, then you show up - BOOM - everyone's dead. :(
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/25/2006 9:28:47 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 184
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
You know, Kenri, you could make a weapon yourself.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/25/2006 9:34:05 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 185
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
A-Bomb? No. I'm not the A-Bomb. I'm the Comet 2 spell. I rain down multiple times to wreck any attempts you make at getting back up.

Also, I will make a new weapon, following the introduction of new monsters. I just need to see how exactly they react first, to gauge the strength correctly. This goes for every class under my control, not just Warlords. Well, except Paladins and Necromancers. They're set pretty damn well. Shamans will get a new weapon though for sure.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/25/2006 9:39:12 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 186
Level: 43
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You know, Kenri, you could make a weapon yourself.

Scorp's in charge of Warriors. >_> I'm busy with Berserkers, Tamer tree, Bard/Dancer tree, Apprentice tree, Revelators, Masters, and Spellcrafters.

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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/25/2006 9:53:41 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 187
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
...But you're still free to do it if you wish.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/25/2006 6:19:40 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 188
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Dawnbreaker Weapons?! You damn skippy. I didn't realize it before, but that class only has two weapons and they're both BASE CLASS. >_>; I really should have paid more attention and all, considering I actually use that class and am supposed to make stuff for it. ._. Anywho, here's a moderate power weapon and a "super weapon" for Spellbinders. =)

Name: Demonspine Whip
Cost: 30000
Type: Weapon
Class: Dawnbreaker
Level: 10
Boosts: +100 SP, +116 MATK
Description: So what if it's a real spine? Are you too much of a sissy to use it?

Name: Whip of Uriel
Cost: 90000
Type: Weapon
Class: Dawnbreaker
Level: 20
Boosts: +60 HP, +60 SP, +180 MATK
Description: The whip of a high ranking female angel. More proof they're kinky.

I also have to throw out another obligatory reminder/resubmission of the Soul Stone item, Ogor. I feel this item is greatly needed for all of the Enlightened classes to have some kind of scarf. >_>;

Name: Soul Stone
Type: Scarf
Cost: 1000
Class: Enlightened
Level: 10
Boosts: +20 MATK
Description: A stone blessed by the wisdom of a thousand lives.

I'll also resubmit the Voodoo Staff and Skull of Ratha with some minor edits.

Name: Skull of Ratha
Type: Weapon
Cost: 20000
Class: Necromancer
Level: 35
Boosts: +120 MATK, -100 ATK, +50 MDEF, -40 DEF
Description: A replica of the skull of a pagan god. Looks great on a dash board!

Name: Voodoo Staff
Type: Weapon
Cost: 5000
Class: Shaman
Level: 5
Boosts: +100 MATK, -100 ATK, +30 SPD, -30 DEF
Description: I love that Voodoo that youdo! >_> *cough*
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/26/2006 1:07:31 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 189
Level: 43
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Name: Demonspine Whip
Cost: 30000
Type: Weapon
Class: Dawnbreaker
Level: 10
Boosts: +100 SP, +116 MATK
Description: So what if it's a real spine? Are you too much of a sissy to use it?


This seems... a bit too good. The nearest equivalent is the Lancea Longini which is level 25 Marshal/Paladin and boosts +150 HP and +100 ATK... although it costs less. Maybe I'm just crazy. <_<
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:20:56 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 190
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
The Whip would have a higher level requirement, but I think it's fine, give or take 16 MATK.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:22:50 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 191
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Yeah, that is a bit too good. >_> It seems I copied the non-revised version by mistake. That's only supposed to have +50 SP and cost 22000, making it closer to Ragnarok, but a bit weaker and cheaper with a lower level requirement to reflect that.

Bringing up the Lancea Longini is a good point too though. I personally think the level requirement in reflection to other items is a bit too high when you look at it against other Paladin stuff. I'm not sure how it ranks amongst Marshal stuff though, since I haven't really paid any attention. >_>
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:25:57 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 192
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Also, the 16 MATK points are perfectly fine to lose. I honestly don't know why I put 116 anyway. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:26:48 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 193
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I don't really pay any attention to any of the items you people make, so don't feel bad.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/26/2006 1:36:04 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 194
Level: 43
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Yeah, that is a bit too good. >_> It seems I copied the non-revised version by mistake. That's only supposed to have +50 SP and cost 22000, making it closer to Ragnarok, but a bit weaker and cheaper with a lower level requirement to reflect that.

Ah, I see. That's much more balanced. I think.

Bringing up the Lancea Longini is a good point too though. I personally think the level requirement in reflection to other items is a bit too high when you look at it against other Paladin stuff. I'm not sure how it ranks amongst Marshal stuff though, since I haven't really paid any attention. >_>

Well, compared to the other two best Marshal items (Gae Bulg, which is for Officers, and Marshal's Baton, which gives no ATK boosts), it's pretty awesome. >_> Although I think it could be decreased to level 20 and still work.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:39:01 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 195
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Marshal's Baton takes the place of a shield, if I'm not mistaken.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:39:24 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 196
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Well, compared to the other two best Marshal items (Gae Bulg, which is for Officers, and Marshal's Baton, which gives no ATK boosts), it's pretty awesome. >_> Although I think it could be decreased to level 20 and still work.

Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, when you compare it against Ragnarok, it's only +50 HP more and Ragnarok is a level 15 weapon, albeit an expensive level 15 weapon. That kind of makes level 25 defeating the purpose, at least for the Paladin class where 50 HP isn't much considering the HP boosts on their other equipment.

I don't really pay any attention to any of the items you people make, so don't feel bad.

...That makes me feel bad in itself, Ogor. ._.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/26/2006 1:42:28 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 197
Level: 43
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Marshal's Baton takes the place of a shield, if I'm not mistaken.

...

Oh yes. <_<
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:44:46 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 198
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
...That makes me feel bad in itself, Ogor. ._.

It shouldn't. If I took the time to read everything I was copy/pasting, I would never finish anything. Ever. >_>
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:52:21 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 199
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Marshal's Baton takes the place of a shield, if I'm not mistaken.

..You know what would be completely broken on a devastatingly insane level, yet awesome at the same time? Excalibur II taking the place of a shield. Dual Excalibur wielding action. >_>

In all seriousness, I should look into this "weapon in place of a shield" thing. Dual Wielding should also be considered eventually.. assuming some restrictions are set in place. I could elaborate further on what I mean if you want.

It shouldn't. If I took the time to read everything I was copy/pasting, I would never finish anything. Ever. >_>

..I guess so..
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:55:40 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 200
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Currently, dual wielding is allowed only with specific items. This is to prevent (a) brokenness and (b) the necessity of extra code I don't want to write. >_>
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Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:05:38 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 201
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Well, yes, I know. >_> I meant a more in-depth dual wielding with a set of restrictions to prevent brokenness that I'm more than willing to go into detail on in the future if need be. Just.. not so much right now, so I'm relieved you didn't ask me to elaborate. >_>; However, in the future just ask me and I'll gladly explain.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:22:46 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 202
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I'm unlikely to be inclined to institute such an option while there remains an entire world/storyline to construct, among a lot of other things. >_>
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Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:32:03 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 203
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Another good reason as to why I said future. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:37:23 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 204
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Currently, dual wielding is allowed only with specific items.

Considering that starting in the middle of the Seventh Dungeon, Link starts dual-wielding items himself, oh yes
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:38:35 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 205
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Considering that starting in the middle of the Seventh Dungeon, Link starts dual-wielding items himself, oh yes

lol wut
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Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
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xp1337 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:43:52 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 206
Level: 49
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Link finds a second copy of an item he already had, turning it into dual wielding awesomeness.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:50:23 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 207
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Ah, I see.
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Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/26/2006 6:58:55 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 208
Level: 43
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So, about the Martial Artist class. What should they equip? Like... fighting styles? "Fists"? Should they get no weapons at all and have awesome other equipment/spells? <_<
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 9:20:07 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 209
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
If you think they should have weapons, give them "gloves" - iron knuckles, for example - or claws of some sort. The Hunter class in ROSE should serve as an example.

However, they're perfectly fine without weapons and without any truly competent equipment. They could instead have stronger spells.
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Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/26/2006 9:41:33 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 210
Level: 43
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Well, right now I'm looking at several possible choices:

1. Give them semi-ambiguous weapons with names like "Rising Fist", "Burning Hand", "Iron Palm", etc.
2. Give them "knuckle" type weapons like you suggested.
3. Give them no weapons but ATK boosts from leggings, boots, and gloves.
4. Give them no weapons, normal equipment, and better spells.

I'm personally leaning towards 3, however, I'm going to wait for Scorp's input (and more input of yours >_>) before I start.
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