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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 12:46:02 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 211
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Well, I was thinking from the beginning about giving them knuckle weapons and other equipment that give ATK and likely SP boosts. So, yeah. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 12:52:46 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 212
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Knuckle weapons are fine, but I suggest we keep the selection at a minimum and the attack bonuses small. This should let the class focus on the "martial arts" aspect more than the "lol i hav 2 ft long dagurz on mai fingurz" aspect.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 1:26:26 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 213
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Well, I intended to do that, Ogor. The boosts on their other equipment and their spell/skill strength would make up for it. The knuckles themselves wouldn't have as high power compared to other class weapons, although any clawed knuckle would have to have a bit more of an attack boost than most of the others, and claws should likely be reserved for the final class stage. However, even the claws will come out weaker than other final class weapons attack wise.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:15:56 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 214
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Sounds like a plan.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:23:42 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 215
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Indeed it does. Now it's just a matter of drawing straws to decide whose responsibility it is to pump out class items. <_<
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:26:00 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 216
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I thought Kenri already claimed that. >_>
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:35:03 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 217
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Upon looking in the Discussion Topic and here, no one claimed it from what I can see. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:37:43 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 218
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Ah.

I suggest you FIGHT TO THE DEATH~! Or flip a coin or something.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:40:15 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 219
Level: 49
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Well, we'll just have to wait and see what Kenri wants to do. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:40:51 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 220
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
For the record, I support the former option. It'll be like Darwin in action, only we have to make the assumption that the better creative skills decides the winner... and not anything else.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:41:37 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 221
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
But who would decide who has the better skills? I'm far too stupid. Look what I did with Fimbulvinter. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:43:00 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 222
Level: 49
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The battle would, Ogor! We'll just credit the victor's victory on the basis that he had more "mad skillz" than his opponent.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:44:17 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 223
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
But... but...

The idea of "mad skillz" is far too nebulous! I could mis-attribute the madness!
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xp1337 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:45:10 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 224
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Which is why we have the battle. If only one can survive there won't be any chance for confus-Hmm. I think I see the problem. >_>
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:49:11 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 225
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Good, because I'm too thick to explain it.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/26/2006 2:51:21 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 226
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
DID SOMEONE SAY DARWIN~?!

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... <_<
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/27/2006 5:53:06 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 227
Level: 43
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Scorp, I'm more than willing to take the Martial Artist class tree unless you actually want it. If you do, then we'll work something out. In the mean time...

-Completed 8 Berserker equipment.
-5 equipment and 2 spells for Tamers.
-6 equipment for Bard/Dancers (plus the 6 spells I already made).
-4 equipment for Apprentices.

I'm gonna start working on their later stages soon, but before that...

Are there any items or spells that need to be made for the original classes I'm in charge of? (Archer, Cleric, Ninja, Pikeman, Spiremage, and Horseman)
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/27/2006 6:03:34 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 228
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Are there any items or spells that need to be made for the original classes I'm in charge of? (Archer, Cleric, Ninja, Pikeman, Spiremage, and Horseman)

Eventually, yes, but now I'm not very concerned about that now.

-5 equipment and 2 spells for Tamers.

What spells are these?
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/27/2006 6:19:14 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 229
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As with all my spells, they're completely bland and probably unbalanced!

Name: Lifeforce Swap
SP Cost: 75
Cost: 600
Level: 25
Tier: Tamer
Targets: One animal ally (for now, just mounts and summons, I think, although I could be overlooking something)
Description: (I can't think of anything witty for this)
Effect: Swaps your current HP with the target's current HP.

Name: Cobra Fang
SP Cost: 15
Cost: 400
Level: 15
Tier: Tamer
Targets: One enemy
Description: The gift that keeps on giving.
Effect: Damages the enemy and poisons them.

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Ogordemir99 Posted: 11/27/2006 6:23:41 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 230
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Not unbalanced, although Lifeforce Swap is complex and not worth it. >_>
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/27/2006 6:26:54 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 231
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True. My heart wasn't really in that one. <_<
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/27/2006 11:21:49 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 232
Level: 43
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omg big list of crap

Name: Crusader's Spontoon
Type: Weapon
Cost: 17,500
Level: 15
Tier: Hussar
Stats changes: +60 SP, +150 ATK
Description: A distinguished hussar deserves a weapon that shines as bright as they do.

Name: Volatile Axe
Type: Weapon
Cost: 15,000
Level: 5
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: +160 ATK, -40 DEF (If possible, gives the user poison at the start of every battle)
Description: This axe explodes when striking armor. Also the handle is a blade. Also the blade-handle is poisoned. Enjoy!

Name: BFA
Type: Weapon
Cost: 40,000
Level: 30
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: +600 ATK, -200 DEF, -200 MDEF, -300 SPD
Description: Before God said "Let there be light", he had to move this axe the hell out of the way.

Name: Blazing Armor
Type: Armor
Cost: 500
Level: 1
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: +50 ATK (if possible, it should deal 1/16th or so damage to the user every turn)
Description: Don't you look hot.

Name: Concussion Armor
Type: Armor
Cost: 6,000
Level: 20
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: +50 HP, +90 ATK (again, if possible, it should deal 1/8th or so damage to the user every turn)
Description: Go out with a bang.

Name: Stylish Head Wound
Type: Hat
Cost: 10
Level: 1
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: -10 HP, +10 ATK
Description: There's a reason it's cheap. Now hold still...

Name: 50-Pound Gauntlet
Type: Gloves
Cost: 3,000
Level: 5
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: +50 ATK, -50 SPD
Description: Too heavy? Then throw down the gauntlet. Hohohohoho.

Name: Steel-Toed Boots
Type: Boots
Cost: 3,000
Level: 10
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: +20 ATK, -10 SPD
Description: At least your toes are safe.

Name: Traditional Loincloth
Type: Leggings
Cost: 10
Level: 25
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: None (adds a 1% chance of any non-boss foe skipping their turn)
Description: This doesn't leave much to the imagination...

Name: Super Butcher Punch
SP Cost: 100
Cost: 2,000
Level: 1
Tier: Berserker
Targets: One enemy
Description: Transform the enemy into a butchershop, just like old times.
Effect: The broken version of Butcher Punch

Name: Seal
Type: Weapon
Cost: 250
Level: 2
Tier: Tamer
Stats changes: +12 ATK
Description: An unfortunate bit of irony: This weapon is a club.

Name: Mongoose
Type: Weapon
Cost: 500
Level: 18
Tier: Tamer
Stats changes: +15 ATK, +15 SPD
Description: Jack be Nimble, Jack be quick...

Name: Turtle
Type: Armor
Cost: 100
Level: 4
Tier: Tamer
Stats changes: +15 DEF
Description: Slow and steady... kind of sucks.

Name: Crab
Type: Gloves
Cost: 50
Level: 7
Tier: Tamer
Stats changes: +5 ATK
Description: Little pinch?

Name: Rabbit
Type: Boots
Cost: 300
Level: 15
Tier: Tamer
Stats changes: +20 SPD
Description: What's up, doc?

Name: Cobra Fang
SP Cost: 15
Cost: 400
Level: 15
Tier: Tamer
Targets: One enemy
Description: The gift that keeps on giving.
Effect: Damages the enemy and poisons them.

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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/27/2006 11:22:21 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 233
Level: 43
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omg big list of crap part 2

Name: Sweet Potato Ocarina
Type: Weapon
Cost: 60
Level: 1
Tier: Bard/Dancer
Stats changes: +1 ATK, +5 DEF
Description: Every bard's got to start somewhere. Preferrably somewhere else.

Name: Piccolo
Type: Weapon
Cost: 600
Level: 17
Tier: Bard/Dancer
Stats changes: +5 HP, +15 SP, +20 ATK
Description: Contrary to what fanboys will tell you, every real bard knows that the Demon King version is superior.

Name: Red Shawl
Type: Scarf
Cost: 300
Level: 6
Tier: Bard/Dancer
Stats changes: +5 MDEF
Description: Protects against slight breezes, moderate chills, and not much else.

Name: Baladi Top
Type: Armor
Cost: 100
Level: 1
Tier: Bard/Dancer
Stats changes: +5 DEF
Description: It's only fair, since bards got all the weapons...

Name: Zils
Type: Weapon B
Cost: 300
Level: 8
Tier: Bard/Dancer
Stats changes: +5 SP, +2 ATK
Description: Buh-dum bum psht.

Name: Baladi Dress
Type: Legging
Cost: 800
Level: 15
Tier: Bard/Dancer
Stats changes: +10 DEF, +10 MDEF
Description: Well... at least it completes the outfit...

Name: Dance of Encouragement
SP Cost: 10
Cost: 100
Level: 3
Tier: Bard/Dancer
Targets: One ally
Description: Just seeing this dance makes you want to do your best.
Effect: Grants a +10% ATK boost

Name: Steadfast Tune
SP Cost: 25
Cost: 700
Level: 10
Tier: Bard/Dancer
Targets: Whole team
Description: A tune that makes you stand firm and listen.
Effect: Grants a +10% DEF boost.

Name: Sawed in Half
SP Cost: 50
Cost: 300
Level: 10
Tier: Magician
Targets: One ally
Description: And now my lovely volunteer will saw YOU in half.
Effect: Cuts caster's current HP by half to provide an ATK boost equal to the amount of HP lost. (50 current HP cuts to 25 and gives a +25 boost.)

Name: Disappearing Act
SP Cost: 50
Cost: 750
Level: 20
Tier: Magician
Targets: Self only
Description: A magician never reveals his methods. Until his SP runs out.
Effect: Basically a crappy version of Stealth

Name: Dovecraft
SP Cost: 70
Cost: 1,200
Level: 17
Tier: Magician
Targets: Spell it resolves on
Description: For my next trick, I'll need an ordinary spell.
Effect: Counters the spell it resolves on, then creates an ally with HP equal to the casting cost of the spell.

Name: Sword Swallowing
SP Cost: 60
Cost: 1,500
Level: 5
Tier: Jester
Targets: Self only
Description: Gulp.
Effect: Disarms self to provide an enchantment of the weapon's boost x2. (If your weapon boosted your ATK by 50, using this would remove the 50 then add 100)

Name: Dagger Head Box
SP Cost: 100
Cost: 30,000
Level: 25
Tier: Jester
Targets: Self only
Description: Now watch, as I am impaled by swords and vanish!
Effect: Removes all of caster's weapons/armor/enchantments, but makes him/her untargetable until all other targets are dead.

Name: Keikogi
Type: Armor
Cost: 200
Level: 1
Tier: Apprentice
Stats changes: +10 DEF
Description: What part of "practice clothes" is not self-explanatory?

Name: Heavily Padded Gloves
Type: Gloves
Cost: 400
Level: 3
Tier: Apprentice
Stats changes: +5 DEF
Description: Soon, you'll be able to break an opponent's face. Right now, these stop you from breaking your hands.

Name: Dragon Headband
Type: Helm
Cost: 1000
Level: 16
Tier: Apprentice
Stats changes: +20 HP
Description: Be one with the red dragon! Or not.

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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/27/2006 3:12:58 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 234
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Well, how about we do it this way, Kenri?

You go ahead and start making some stuff to start them off, and I'll fill in some more stuff at a later time. Most likely weapons, but probably some better armor too. If you don't mind though, I'd like to start off making stuff for the final class for the tree, since I have lots of ideas there already. >_>
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xp1337 Posted: 11/27/2006 7:45:56 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 235
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
+600 ATK,

No.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/27/2006 8:03:49 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 236
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Name: BFA
Type: Weapon
Cost: 40,000
Level: 30
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: +600 ATK, -200 DEF, -200 MDEF, -300 SPD
Description: Before God said "Let there be light", he had to move this axe the hell out of the way.


I didn't notice this before.. but that's highly broken and the name is kind of lame. I could offer a fix though if you'd like.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/27/2006 10:37:55 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 237
Level: 43
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No.

Right, I forgot that we should look at singular parts of things to determine whether they're broken, and not the whole package. Because that's really intelligent. Let's see if I can do this for other weapons?

Royal Lance. +125 ATK? zomg broken, what if a level 1 horseman uses that

Nevermind that they can't; why let facts get in the way of my point?

I didn't notice this before.. but that's highly broken and the name is kind of lame. I could offer a fix though if you'd like.

How is it broken? Did you notice what it does to your defense and speed? You'll be killed before you can even move. >_>

And the name is a reference to the BFG9000, the best video game weapon ever.

Go ahead and offer a fix though.
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Scorpion 316 Posted: 11/27/2006 11:27:46 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 238
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
How is it broken? Did you notice what it does to your defense and speed? You'll be killed before you can even move. >_>

That was the wrong choice of words.. but have you noticed how insanely stupid some of these monsters can be even with Ajax? >_>

And the name is a reference to the BFG9000, the best video game weapon ever.

I'm well aware of what it was a reference too.. but it's still kinda lame in this context, probably because the BFG-type listing should IMO, only be a gun.. It sounds kind of lame with anything else. =/

Right, I forgot that we should look at singular parts of things to determine whether they're broken, and not the whole package. Because that's really intelligent. Let's see if I can do this for other weapons?

Royal Lance. +125 ATK? zomg broken, what if a level 1 horseman uses that

Nevermind that they can't; why let facts get in the way of my point?


I was looking at the other facts. Specifically the price point and the point of the game we're currently at. Not to mention, I have my own reason for not liking this idea.

Go ahead and offer a fix though.

My main problem with it.. is that the boost is too high for this point of the game. I admit, saying it was highly broken wasn't the right choice of words to use, but I still feel it's far too powerful for this point in the game, even WITH it's drawbacks. I, myself, don't feel any weapon boosts should go over a 220 boost on any one stat right now, but with the absolute maximum being a 300 point boost. Later on, a weapon like this would be perfectly fine and acceptable.. just right at this point and time it seems a bit too strong, to me.

Here's my revision suggestion for the weapon:

Name: BFA (I'd still say to think of something a little better.. but that's your call. Just my opinion.)
Type: Weapon
Cost: 60,000
Level: 30
Tier: Berserker
Stats changes: +300 ATK, -20 DEF, -20 MDEF (Or, no DEF/MDEF loss at all.)
Description: Before God said "Let there be light", he had to move this axe the hell out of the way.
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xp1337 Posted: 11/27/2006 11:31:43 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 239
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Right, I forgot that we should look at singular parts of things to determine whether they're broken, and not the whole package. Because that's really intelligent.


Because that's what I did.

lol o wate

I did look at everything else, it's still horribly broken.

Scorp's version is ok though.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/28/2006 12:08:14 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 240
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Right, but with the fix, it's just like every other weapon. Might as well call it "3rd Stage Weapon".

That was the wrong choice of words.. but have you noticed how insanely stupid some of these monsters can be even with Ajax? >_>

Right, and this is what stops the weapon from being completely worthless. See where I'm going with this?

See, this is how Berserkers work. They don't care about being hurt. Or being killed. They care about boosting their ATK enough to OHKO Poseidon. If they can hit him. Which they usually won't, because he'll kill them first. But luckily, they don't care about being killed, and they drag their carcass back to the healing place, and good as new, they charge at Poseidon for another round.

My main problem with it.. is that the boost is too high for this point of the game. I admit, saying it was highly broken wasn't the right choice of words to use, but I still feel it's far too powerful for this point in the game, even WITH it's drawbacks. I, myself, don't feel any weapon boosts should go over a 220 boost on any one stat right now, but with the absolute maximum being a 300 point boost. Later on, a weapon like this would be perfectly fine and acceptable.. just right at this point and time it seems a bit too strong, to me.

Implement it later! Dammit, why didn't I think of that? I mean, because there are so many Berserkers around, obviously we're clamoring to put Berserker weapons in. It's not like the class itself doesn't even exist yet.
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