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Okay then. 350 ATK, -120 DEF, -120 MDEF. Now it's a Berserker weapon. I toned down the DEF/MDEF losses because I thought that was unfair, but if you want them to make it unique so it's not just "3rd Stage Weapon", there you go. I still think Attack 600 is just too much of a boost off of one item. So, with it being 350, they still have the strongest melee weapon currently and it still fits their profile of abandoning defense to have it.
Right, and this is what stops the weapon from being completely worthless. See where I'm going with this?
See, this is how Berserkers work. They don't care about being hurt. Or being killed. They care about boosting their ATK enough to OHKO Poseidon. If they can hit him. Which they usually won't, because he'll kill them first. But luckily, they don't care about being killed, and they drag their carcass back to the healing place, and good as new, they charge at Poseidon for another round.
I know what a Berserker is. I know what a Berserker does. That doesn't change my main issue, which is that it's a bit too powerful at this point in time. I really don't even think you're going to need it to kill Manticores or anything either.
Implement it later! Dammit, why didn't I think of that? I mean, because there are so many Berserkers around, obviously we're clamoring to put Berserker weapons in. It's not like the class itself doesn't even exist yet.
I was referring to.. not being implemented until a while after Berserkers are.
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That said, I will let you all squabble while I try to catch up. >_>
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Normally, yes. However, take into account for a minute the spells Scapegoat and Lure. If these are done together by characters with moderate defense and HP, the Berserker then cannot be hit until those two die, assuming they use each turn casting those spells.
I'm not debating the fact Berserkers should physically be stronger than other classes while easily killed. I am debating the sheer amount of the difference in strength at this point in the game, even when combined with soon to be added monsters. It's too much. I'd be willing to allow 400, possibly even 450, but 600 is too much of a leap.
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I am debating the sheer amount of the difference in strength at this point in the game, even when combined with soon to be added monsters.
Seeing as how the Cleric tree's best weapon gives +120 MATK as well as other boosts, I don't think 600 is much of a leap at all. How about the Broad Axe?
Only use this if you're a brainless muscle-man! (ATK +130, DEF -40, Level: 5, Class: Commander)
Using that as a base...
FIXED VERSION:
Name: BFA
Type: Weapon
Cost: 13,800
Level: 23
Tier: Berserker
Boosts: +598 ATK, -184 DEF.
You're right. Much more balanced.
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Fine, I'll drop that complaint then, since you clearly aren't understanding what I'm getting at, despite me saying it already to xp before.
Seeing as how the Cleric tree's best weapon gives +120 MATK as well as other boosts, I don't think 600 is much of a leap at all.
My First Post on this matter:
"I, myself, don't feel any weapon boosts should go over a 220 boost on any one stat right now, but with the absolute maximum being a 300 point boost."
See how I said on any one stat? That's why +600 is too much. Hell, I even went against what I said and later said I'd be fine with 400 or 450, which still makes them pretty much double the attack strength of the other strongest item so far, Excalibur II.
How about the Broad Axe? Only use this if you're a brainless muscle-man! (ATK +130, DEF -40, Level: 5, Class: Commander)
Yes, how about that? It's only over 100 on a single stat. Not anywhere near going past 200 either for that matter.
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Has Ogor said that Berserkers don't need weapons? Not to my knowledge. Will putting in Berserker weapons do anything, since they don't even exist yet? No. I just posted these to get them on file somewhere, they don't need to be added right away.
Seeing as how the Cleric tree's best weapon gives +120 MATK as well as other boosts, I don't think 600 is much of a leap at all.
They're CLERICS! Clerics would hit single digits on domesticated cats and dogs! A camel would be an impossible battle for a Cleric! Right now your entire argument seems to be "I've set an arbitrary value that no weapon can exceed. I have no reasoning behind this, and even if the weapon severely cripples the user in other areas, WHOOOOAH, better not exceed that abitrary value!"
I'm setting a similar abitrary value at 9000. No weapons can exceed +9000 in a single area. 600 is under 9000, so it works.
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judgment lol
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That's fine. I never had a problem with Berserker weapons in general, I just feel this one in particular shouldn't be added for a while. As long as we've got that out of the way, I have no more issues here.
They're CLERICS! Clerics would hit single digits on domesticated cats and dogs! A camel would be an impossible battle for a Cleric! Right now your entire argument seems to be "I've set an arbitrary value that no weapon can exceed. I have no reasoning behind this, and even if the weapon severely cripples the user in other areas, WHOOOOAH, better not exceed that abitrary value!"
You seem to forget I said that's how I felt on the situation. I didn't say it was required, and frankly my arguing against this is just me expressing that I don't like it based on those grounds. However, considering Ogor already pretty much said it was fine, I'm just continuing to express the fact I don't like it and even gave a reason on how this weapon could become abused with it's high attack power, even with those losses. That being Scapegoat/Lure spamming by Spellbinders and Clerics with enough DEF/MDEF/HP to survive some hits. Clerics can naturally get this, and they're half of the team needed. They're the Scapegoat part.
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This isn't the lock you think it might be. There are several spells - Swiftstrike and Darkblast - that can hit anyone before Scapegoat and Lure and execute.
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No, I'm aware of that, but how many enemies actually use these techniques right now? >_>
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Well, Giant Crab has Titan Grip, but I see your point. >_>
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Ah, okay then. <_<
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There should be some long and thoroughly complicated and difficult sidequest that results in a squid party member.
Proposed squid class tree: Squid -> Octopus -> Kraken
The squid would have crappy starting stats (1s across the board) and only gain 1 stat point per level up. It would also have no equipment and learn no spells. You'd have to do other exceedingly long and/or complicated sidequests to get the equipment and spells.
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That's just a bit too surreal for me.
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Proposed squid class tree: Squid -> Octopus -> Kraken
This can already be done somewhat. >_> Summoners can summon the final class from this tree. <_<
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And Heralds/Soulshapers will eventually be able to expand upon that final class.
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...This makes me want to pull my Herald out of the Tavern and raise him some more.
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I suggest you do that when there's a physical reason. >_>
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Summoner or Tamer + Ninja or Apprentice = Hermit
They summon flesh-devouring squirrels, giant toads, swarms of locusts, etc.
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lol saprolings
The path should be Summoner + Apprentice/Ninja, considering what we have. The summoning is done by the former while the actual hermit part is done by the former; and, with the exception of perhaps Spellbinder (which actually prefers to enhance and exploit nature rather than commune with it) and upper classes, the only hermit-like tendencies within the classes can be found within the individualist Ninja and proto-Apprentice classes. A far better fit would be Summoner + Shaman/Elder, which would mean going into the realm of Class II Special classes. This would allow the class to branch out into all sorts of things.
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Go to magicthegathering.com.
Click on the "Gatherer" link in the navigation panel menu thing.
Type in "Deranged Hermit".
Press enter.
Click "Deranged Hermit".
Become enlightened.
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Agreed. Shaman + Summoner = Win.
Go to magicthegathering.com.
Click on the "Gatherer" link in the navigation panel menu thing.
Type in "Deranged Hermit".
Press enter.
Click "Deranged Hermit".
Become enlightened.
I wasn't being completely serious with that post. >_>
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...This way works, too.
Might I suggest a Druid class?
Kenri, Scorp? Opinions/flavor/tree?
I don't think it's necessary, but it does fit as well as Shaman/Elder, if not better.
Agreed. Shaman + Summoner = Win.
I thought you might have that opinion.
I wasn't being completely serious with that post. >_>
I simply felt compelled to demonstrate the origin of the idea. >_>
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