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Ogordemir99 Posted: 6/30/2006 12:55:45 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 001
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
The only thing missing from my beautiful battle system (apart from items and spells and monsters that actually do something, of course) are the formulas required for processing things.

That's where you come in. There must be enough videogaming experience on this board to fill a small encyclopedia. I need you people to provide me the following formulas (these names don't actually represent anything in the game, so don't be afraid):

Damage calculation against normal opponent. Your Great Floating Fist of Eternal Coolness attacks a Sniveling Worm. How is damage calculated?

Damage calculation against a "defending" opponent. Your Hammerhead Penguin swats a Massive Metal Tank of Doom that decided to hit the defend button instead of actually attacking. How is damage calculated?

Magic damage calculation against normal opponent. Your Really Flashy Sage Character Level 99 casts Ultimate Universe Destroying Force of Ultimate Destruction Blast on a Lawn Gnome. How is damage calculated?

Magic damage calculation against a "defending" opponent. Your Hilariously Useless Token Clown Character Level 2.5 attacks a Giant Magical Shield of Eternal Salvation that decided to "defend" instead of attack. How is damage calculated?

I also need:

An experience chart. You have three million, two thousand, one-hundred-fifty-three point one five experience points. What level are you on? (Etc.)

Attributes, races, and classes. Classic attributes being fire, wind, water, etc. Examples of race include elves, humans, ghosts, etc. And when I say classes, I'm thinking along the vein of magician, swordsman, thief, etc. A class progression chart (i.e., a magician can become a sage at level 56) would also be nice.

Misc. stats. To take an example from the only videogame I've played since last August, ROSE has things like charm, concentration, and sense, which affect various things in battles and otherwise, apart from the clearcut attack-defense distinctions. If anyone has any ideas about extra stats, I'd like to know what those stats are, what they do, and any formulas I might need in order to implement them. (I.E., if you come up with an accuracy or evasion stat, how do I calculate whether something hits or misses in relation to the stat?)

And that should be it.

Keep in mind that I already have my own ideas, but I think they all suck, so I want to know what we have here.
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Scorpion 316 Posted: 6/30/2006 7:33:35 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 002
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Give me some time to think, and I can easily do all of this myself. >_>
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"English motherfucker, do you speak it!?!" - Samuel L. Jackson
Ogordemir99 Posted: 6/30/2006 9:17:09 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 003
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Time isn't an issue. We have all the time in the world.

Think away. ^_^
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Scorpion 316 Posted: 6/30/2006 11:16:13 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 004
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Hooray! <goes to drawing board>
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"English motherfucker, do you speak it!?!" - Samuel L. Jackson
xp1337 Posted: 7/6/2006 5:18:57 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 005
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I should probably start thinking of ideas for this. At the rate I'm now moving at, I'll get myself kicked out of MBA by Friday.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 7/9/2006 3:40:05 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 006
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I can't imagine why you'd be kicked out. I mean, everybody wuvs xp!
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
xp1337 Posted: 7/9/2006 4:45:04 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 007
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I think it's when I hijack the chat to argue metaphysics, usually against myself.

What's so wrong about solipsism!?

Well, maybe it's slightly obnoxious to tell people they don't exist, but... it's a possibility!

>_>
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xp1337: Your former local puppet admin.
"This is the light of my soul, a sacred territory upon which no one may intrude." - Kaworu, NGE.
Scorpion 316 Posted: 7/9/2006 10:09:37 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 008
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
...>_>

You've found me out! I don't exist!

..Wait..That wasn't addressed at me! Carry on with your day.
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"English motherfucker, do you speak it!?!" - Samuel L. Jackson
Mr. Furious Posted: 7/9/2006 11:19:43 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 009
Level:

Out of context, but...

slightly obnoxious

You? Oh no, never. >_>

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Ogordemir99 Posted: 7/10/2006 3:02:46 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 010
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Solipsism is lame. How do you expect to charm women by telling them they're all figments of your imagination? And that brain-in-a-vat thing is just gross.
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
xp1337 Posted: 7/10/2006 4:35:11 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 011
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
You? Oh no, never.

I know, Burg, aren't I just the most humble and nice individual on the planet? How dare people thinking such things about me! >_>
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xp1337: Your former local puppet admin.
"This is the light of my soul, a sacred territory upon which no one may intrude." - Kaworu, NGE.
Ogordemir99 Posted: 7/10/2006 5:53:45 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 012
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
It's because we're jealous.
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
xp1337 Posted: 7/10/2006 11:10:21 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 013
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Must be.
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"This is the light of my soul, a sacred territory upon which no one may intrude." - Kaworu, NGE.
Scorpion 316 Posted: 7/11/2006 1:08:45 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 014
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Or is it? Ponder it to your grave! We shall never tell! Nope. Never.
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"English motherfucker, do you speak it!?!" - Samuel L. Jackson
Ogordemir99 Posted: 7/11/2006 7:26:48 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 015
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I for one am wildly jealous.
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
xp1337 Posted: 7/14/2006 9:15:48 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 016
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Since MBA is basically on a week vacation, I'll take a shot at this.

I'll be using a lot of some abbreivations for terms, feel free to change them for the real thing.

(ATK = Attack, DEF = Defense, MATK = Magic Attack, RES = Resistance ("Magic Defense")

Damage calculation against normal opponent.

ATK + d(5xLevel) - 75% Opponent's DEF

Damage calculation against a "defending" opponent.

ATK + d(5xLevel) - 150% Opponent's DEF

Magic damage calculation against normal opponent.

MATK + d(5xLevel) - 75% Opponent's RES

Magic damage calculation against a "defending" opponent.

MATK d(5xLevel) - 150% Opponent's RES

I also need:

An experience chart. You have three million, two thousand, one-hundred-fifty-three point one five experience points. What level are you on? (Etc.)


Experience Needed to Level Up to "n+1" 100 x 2^(n-1) (Where n is your current level.

i.e. Level 1 = n = 1, EXP needed for Level 2 is 100x 2^(1-1), 100x1 = 100 EXP. If you're Level 9, then to reach Level 10 you need, 100x2^(9-1) = 100x2^8 = 100x256 = 25600 EXP.)

If you wanted to slow down the numbers somewhat, you could replace 100 with a smaller number.

Attributes, races, and classes.

That I'd have to think about, so I'll try to get around to it later. >_>

Misc. stats.

Combat-Applicable

Speed
Skill

Those two would increase "normally" like ATK/DEF

Critical Chance (in %) = (Skill/2) - Opponent Speed

Not Combat Applicable, or at least, probably not primarily.

Persuade (You could branch it into different types if you wanted, like Charm and Intimidate, etc.)

Again, maybe I'll think of more later.
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xp1337: Your former local puppet admin.
"This is the light of my soul, a sacred territory upon which no one may intrude." - Kaworu, NGE.
Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 7/15/2006 5:43:09 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 017
Level: 43
Editor
Attributes, races, and classes.

I'll handle this!

Attributes:

Fire, Water, Wind, Earth, Lightning, Nature, Light/Holy, Dark, Law, Chaos, Neutral/None.

Races:

Respectively: Goblin/Dragon/Half-Dragon, Half-Fish, Half-Bird, Shaman/Elementalist, Spirit, Elf/Druid, Angel, Demon/Devil, Lawful Human, Chaotic Human, Neutral Human.

Classes:

Meh, I'll do that later. >_>
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"When you are alone... Do you see things that should not be there?"
"....No. Nothing. I don't see anybody."

END OF [TAKE] - August, 2006
Message last edited by Kenri of the Yuri on 7/15/2006 at 01:44:10 AM
Ogordemir99 Posted: 7/15/2006 8:13:23 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 018
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
What, exactly, does "Chaos" entail?
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 7/15/2006 9:01:05 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 019
Level: 43
Editor
It's the opposite of Law.
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"When you are alone... Do you see things that should not be there?"
"....No. Nothing. I don't see anybody."

END OF [TAKE] - August, 2006
Ogordemir99 Posted: 7/15/2006 9:26:46 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 020
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Didn't notice Law.

Eh.

Well, those two probably won't make it. As for the rest...

ATK + d(5xLevel) - 75% Opponent's DEF

I'll be using the "skill" stat, in which case this will be changed to "(ATK + r(SKILL)) - (.75 * DEF)", where r is a random number between, say, 1 and 5. I prefer not to relay on level for calculations.

ATK + d(5xLevel) - 150% Opponent's DEF

Again: "(ATK + r(SKILL)) - (1.5 * DEF)"

MATK + d(5xLevel) - 75% Opponent's RES
MATK d(5xLevel) - 150% Opponent's RES


Same as above.

Experience Needed to Level Up to "n+1" 100 x 2^(n-1) (Where n is your current level.)

So the expansion would look something like this:

Level 1: 100 * 2^(0-1) = 100 * 1/2 = 50
Level 2: 100 * 2^(1-1) = 100 * 1 = 100
Level 3: 100 * 2^(2-1) = 100 * 2 = 200
Level 4: 100 * 2^(3-1) = 100 * 4 = 400
Level 5: 100 * 2^(4-1) = 100 * 8 = 800
Level 6: 100 * 2^(5-1) = 100 * 16 = 1600
Level 7: 100 * 2^(6-1) = 100 * 32 = 3200
Level 8: 100 * 2^(7-1) = 100 * 64 = 6400
Level 9: 100 * 2^(8-1) = 100 * 128 = 12800
Level 10: 100 * 2^(9-1) = 100 * 256 = 25600

So, if I give 1 experience point per dead monster, you would need to kill 25,600 of those monsters to get from Level 9 to Level 10.

Do you prefer a system by which it's a steady 500 exp for each level?

Critical Chance (in %) = (Skill/2) - Opponent Speed

Got it.

Fire, Water, Wind, Earth, Lightning, Nature, Light/Holy, Dark, Law, Chaos, Neutral/None.

I will use: Fire, Water, Wind, Earth/Nature, Lightning, Light/Holy, Dark/Unholy/Shadow/something, Neutral/None. Law and Chaos fit within Light and Dark.

Respectively: Goblin/Dragon/Half-Dragon, Half-Fish, Half-Bird, Shaman/Elementalist, Spirit, Elf/Druid, Angel, Demon/Devil, Lawful Human, Chaotic Human, Neutral Human.

Half-animals probably won't be worth it, as I'm allowing allies as either non-people (birds, dragons, fish, etc.) or people. What I like: Spirit, Elf, Angel, Demon, various Humans.

Thanks for the excellent help, comrades. Keep it coming!
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
xp1337 Posted: 7/15/2006 10:20:40 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 021
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
So, if I give 1 experience point per dead monster, you would need to kill 25,600 of those monsters to get from Level 9 to Level 10.

I had been thinking the EXP wouldn't "reset" on a level, i.e. After reaching Level 9 (12800 EXP) you'd still have that 12800 as a foundation of sorts, and you'd be aiming for the 25600 EXP to reach Level 10.

For what it's worth though, I made that under the impression that as time went on, monsters would yield more EXP, so it wouldn't be that time consuming to level up.

Do you prefer a system by which it's a steady 500 exp for each level?

I don't really have a preference. Either way is fine with me.
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"This is the light of my soul, a sacred territory upon which no one may intrude." - Kaworu, NGE.
The Tiger Posted: 7/16/2006 12:45:24 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 022
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
put it cheat codes - you gotta have cheat codes.

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xp1337 Posted: 7/16/2006 1:59:10 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 023
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
...No.
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"This is the light of my soul, a sacred territory upon which no one may intrude." - Kaworu, NGE.
Ogordemir99 Posted: 7/16/2006 5:32:18 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 024
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I second xp's motion. "Cheats" would be so stupid on so many levels.

I had been thinking the EXP wouldn't "reset" on a level, i.e. After reaching Level 9 (12800 EXP) you'd still have that 12800 as a foundation of sorts, and you'd be aiming for the 25600 EXP to reach Level 10.

Ah, I see. So you'd only need 25,600 battles TOTAL to get to Level 10. That's quite a bit more reasonable, and it would be easier to enter into a database, too.

For what it's worth though, I made that under the impression that as time went on, monsters would yield more EXP, so it wouldn't be that time consuming to level up.

That yeilds the unfortunate difficulty of finding a formula to calculate experience yeild per battle.

Unless you would like to yeild your services.

Eh?
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
Message last edited by Silvas on 7/16/2006 at 01:34:50 AM
xp1337 Posted: 7/17/2006 11:15:18 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 025
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Nah, I'll pass on that.

Although my initial idea would be to base it on the level of the enemy.
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xp1337: Your former local puppet admin.
"This is the light of my soul, a sacred territory upon which no one may intrude." - Kaworu, NGE.
Ogordemir99 Posted: 7/18/2006 12:38:38 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 026
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
I'll probably come up with some random formula based on the levels of both you and the enemy.
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~ Silvas ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
ns1987 Posted: 7/28/2006 10:25:03 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 027
Level: 40
Special
Yo, alpha -> beta -> RC -> final

kthx. no such thing as gamma.
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No, I don't own the Flux.
Ogordemir99 Posted: 8/11/2006 1:09:16 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 028
Level: 49
Liberal Arts Major
Well, yes, but I don't give a damn.

Gamma -> Beta -> Alpha >>>>>>>>>> all the standard bullshit.
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~ Ogordemir ~
Buddha promised me Nirvana and all I got was this lousy T-shirt.
"Democracy is the bludgeoning of the people, by the people, for the people." ~ Oscar Wilde
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