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Random classes I think are cool:
Pirate -> Cutthroat -> Captain. Uses axes/swords/cutlasses/guns/whatever, cool spells, way cooler than ninja.
Pickpocket/Highwayman -> Thief -> Spy/Bandit. I couldn't decide on names. Anyway, these guys basically do what you'd assume they do. They're like mini-Ninja, only with an obsession with shiny things.
Tamer -> Beastmaster -> Morpher. Basically, these guys "equip" different animal familiars as weapons and armor ("Turtle" being the basic armor, "Wolf" is a weapon, etc). Morpher gains spells that actually changes them _into_ animals (well, in flavor only <_<).
Bard/Dancer (sex) -> Entertainer -> Jester. Equip musical instruments and mainly help give buffs to your party. At Jester they can kick some serious ass, though, albeit in a Jester sort of way.
Samurai -> Shogun -> Daimyo. The "elegant swordplay" guys. Spells focus more on samurai concepts than sword techniques. And I'm stupid, I didn't realize there was already a Samurai class (I assume it's Soldier + Ninja, though I could be wrong), but I like mine better. <_<
Mediator -> Negotiator -> Judge. Alternate names include arbiter, middleman (I like this for the second class personally <_<), moderator (which I'd have used except for the message board association), and tactician. These are the guys who show up to a fight wearing a nice suit and carrying no weapon, and the enemy thinks "oh man, I'm so gonna own this jackass" but then these guys use their superior linguistics skills and the enemy becomes their friend, but then the enemy gets a shiv in the back and these guys are all like "haha n00b".
Annnd combination classes:
Samurai + Any other class = Ronin. In theory these guys would get basically nothing because they're just samurai that sucked and failed, but in actuality I'm thinking Samurai Mage.
Horseman + Spellbinder = Explorer. Has a bunch of unique items/equipment and spells that increase gold, exp, and item drops, but isn't very battle oriented.
Cleric + Pikeman = Monk. Wields staves and spears, uses Holy magic. For when you want to kick ass, then heal it, then kick it again. Sounds a bit too much like Paladins, though. Meh. Give me time to fix.
Archer + Ninja = Sniper. I know I sound like Tiger right now, but hear me out. Uses Crossbows, Blowdarts, etc. I think the name speaks for itself.
Soldier + Warrior = Berserker. Wields axes, and uses an abundance of ATK to make up for a literal lack of any other stat boosts (via equipment).
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Horseman + Spellbinder = Explorer. Has a bunch of unique items/equipment and spells that increase gold, exp, and item drops, but isn't very battle oriented.
Personally, I think some type of equipment would do a much better job of this. Not spells. >_>
Cleric + Pikeman = Monk. Wields staves and spears, uses Holy magic. For when you want to kick ass, then heal it, then kick it again. Sounds a bit too much like Paladins, though. Meh. Give me time to fix.
He should use his fists and feet plus have healing spells mainly. Since he's using fist, Ogor could add fist weapons.
Soldier + Warrior = Berserker. Wields axes, and uses an abundance of ATK to make up for a literal lack of any other stat boosts (via equipment).
I've been thinking lately, and I've felt the Warrior tree should have been Warrior -> Berserker -> Warlord. Dragoon is so out of place there it's not funny.
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He should use his fists and feet plus have healing spells mainly. Since he's using fist, Ogor could add fist weapons.
Yeah, but now what's the combination going to be? Cleric + what? Ninja? <_<
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Yeah, the Spells and Items topic. But that's spells and items, this is everything. :o
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Yeah, that's the issue there. >_> We should really think of something. <_<
Berserker > Warlord, though. But yeah, Dragoon is very out of place there. Seems more like it belongs in the Pikeman tree. Or as a special Pikeman + Warrior class, or something.
Well, I can see how it might be better, but I don't think so. However, my main point was that Berserker fits that class tree a lot better. Actually, I think Dragoon would be more of a Marksman class because it mostly consists of gun use with one or two lances (Which could really be removed. I made those thinking the class was more like Dragon Knight.. not the actual Dragoons.).
Yeah, the Spells and Items topic. But that's spells and items, this is everything. :o
Well, my point was it eventually got ignored. >_>;
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Mediator -> Negotiator -> Judge. Alternate names include arbiter, middleman (I like this for the second class personally <_<), moderator (which I'd have used except for the message board association), and tactician. These are the guys who show up to a fight wearing a nice suit and carrying no weapon, and the enemy thinks "oh man, I'm so gonna own this jackass" but then these guys use their superior linguistics skills and the enemy becomes their friend, but then the enemy gets a shiv in the back and these guys are all like "haha n00b".
Arbiter is already in the works as a Class II Special Class, which means:
(1) You need to already have a special class to be an Arbiter
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(2) There will be additional, quest-like requirements.
The Judge tree has also been sketched like this:
Bureaucrat -> Official -> Justice/Judge [ -> Arbiter ]
The class will be adept at negating... everything. Key spells will include a more powerful form of Void, an enchantment that negates spells as long as it's in effect, an enchantment that negates most of the effects of items and other enchantments, and various "tax" enchantments.
Arbiter is an important class in the story because the main character belongs to that class.
Samurai -> Shogun -> Daimyo. The "elegant swordplay" guys. Spells focus more on samurai concepts than sword techniques. And I'm stupid, I didn't realize there was already a Samurai class (I assume it's Soldier + Ninja, though I could be wrong), but I like mine better. <_<
I think the Samurai class is Warrior + Ninja, though I could be mistaken.
Samurai + Any other class = Ronin. In theory these guys would get basically nothing because they're just samurai that sucked and failed, but in actuality I'm thinking Samurai Mage.
As that would have to be a Class II Special Class, it could have almost any requirement.
Berserker > Warlord, though. But yeah, Dragoon is very out of place there. Seems more like it belongs in the Pikeman tree. Or as a special Pikeman + Warrior class, or something.
It is mildly out of place, however it serves to justify (a) Warlords having ranged weapons and (b) Warlords having disruptive abilities. Which they currently don't, but they will.
Well, I can see how it might be better, but I don't think so. However, my main point was that Berserker fits that class tree a lot better. Actually, I think Dragoon would be more of a Marksman class because it mostly consists of gun use with one or two lances (Which could really be removed. I made those thinking the class was more like Dragon Knight.. not the actual Dragoons.).
Berserker doesn't justify a third class of Warlord. Berserker justifies a class like Stupid Crazy Bitch with Eight Flails, Three Portable Battering Rams, and One Huge Can of Whoop-Ass. Warlords are educated warriors; the time spent as a Dragoon is the source of that education.
Soldier + Warrior = Berserker. Wields axes, and uses an abundance of ATK to make up for a literal lack of any other stat boosts (via equipment).
I could make all the equipment reduce stats like defense. >_>
He should use his fists and feet plus have healing spells mainly. Since he's using fist, Ogor could add fist weapons.
I could.
Tamer -> Beastmaster -> Morpher. Basically, these guys "equip" different animal familiars as weapons and armor ("Turtle" being the basic armor, "Wolf" is a weapon, etc). Morpher gains spells that actually changes them _into_ animals (well, in flavor only <_<).
By "familiars" do you mean spectral representations or actual animals? Because this class is perfectly feasible, though I'd have to write a new targeting function.
Bard/Dancer (sex) -> Entertainer -> Jester. Equip musical instruments and mainly help give buffs to your party. At Jester they can kick some serious ass, though, albeit in a Jester sort of way.
This works. I'd imagine the Jester would do things involving swords, fire, stage magic, etc., etc.?
Horseman + Spellbinder = Explorer. Has a bunch of unique items/equipment and spells that increase gold, exp, and item drops, but isn't very battle oriented.
Concept approved, but not yet the name or the formula. This should be something like a Bourgeois or Capitalist class. Spells can use money to decide damage. >_>
The formula and name are approved upon reception of another concept. I really like Explorer, but I don't think it fits here.
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Berserker doesn't justify a third class of Warlord. Berserker justifies a class like Stupid Crazy Bitch with Eight Flails, Three Portable Battering Rams, and One Huge Can of Whoop-Ass. Warlords are educated warriors; the time spent as a Dragoon is the source of that education.
That was my reasoning for Berserker being an entirely different class, they're the kind of guys who would just rush into a battle with like, 18 dragons, using a stick and a rock. >_>
I could make all the equipment reduce stats like defense. >_>
The ninja tree needs some equipment like that. <_<
By "familiars" do you mean spectral representations or actual animals? Because this class is perfectly feasible, though I'd have to write a new targeting function.
Spectral respresentations, I guess. They're just equipment and spells named after animals (I'm picturing, like, glowing orbs as the actual equipment, being the 'soul' of the animal), not actual animals that appear in battle (although they could get that too).
This works. I'd imagine the Jester would do things involving swords, fire, stage magic, etc., etc.?
Pretty much, but the stuff would have kind of a "dark" theme to it. I could do some examples if you want, I'm having a hard time describing it. The second class could also be Magician, now that I think about it.
Concept approved, but not yet the name or the formula. This should be something like a Bourgeois or Capitalist class. Spells can use money to decide damage. >_>
The formula and name are approved upon reception of another concept. I really like Explorer, but I don't think it fits here.
The flavor was that as an Explorer, he finds treasure that others wouldn't notice. <_<
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'Twas a good justification.
The ninja tree needs some equipment like that. <_<
Nah, their defense is shafted enough as it is.
Spectral respresentations, I guess. They're just equipment and spells named after animals (I'm picturing, like, glowing orbs as the actual equipment, being the 'soul' of the animal), not actual animals that appear in battle (although they could get that too).
Sounds nifty. Will do.
Pretty much, but the stuff would have kind of a "dark" theme to it. I could do some examples if you want, I'm having a hard time describing it. The second class could also be Magician, now that I think about it.
Examples would be nice. And yes, I think Bard/Dancer -> Magician -> Jester is superior.
The flavor was that as an Explorer, he finds treasure that others wouldn't notice. <_<
History demonstrates the only treasure Explorers find is disease and hungry cannibals. I don't think that's a condition we'd like to enhance.
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Make a Martial Artist class. Then it can combine with Cleric for the healing power and inner peace to make a Monk.
As for a class tree, don't look at me. I have no inspiration. =(
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Eh? Eh?
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History demonstrates that ninja did basically nothing, yet they have invisibility, superspeed, and Chakra control. <_< But I see what you're getting at.
Martial Artist -> Something -> Mister Dojo
I dislike all of those names! >_>
White Belt -> Black Belt -> Master? <_<
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White Belt -> Black Belt -> Master? <_<
I dislike that line-up. Master is a hybrid class already.
If we used the "belt color" system, I'd rather it be..
Kick Boxer -> Black Belt -> ????
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Bah.
And ew @ Kick Boxer.
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That's because ninja are just so damn Japanese nobody knows WHAT the hell they can do.
Yeah.
I dislike all of those names! >_>
So do I. >_>
I have one:
Tyrogue -> Hitmonlee -> Hitmonchamp
Win.
EDIT - And yes, I mean -champ, not -chan. >_>
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Name: Goldfish
(Very) Rough stats: HP - 10, SP - 1000, ATK - 0, DEF - 50, MATK - 250, MDEF - 500, SPD - 600
Spells: Get Away, Douse, Negate, Divert, Frost, Submerge, something that makes it dodgey >_>
Appears in: Empty field, no other enemies
Drops: Fish Bowl - 15% (Helm, all classes, -5 DEF, +15 MDEF), 1000 Gold, 1 EXP
Hard to kill. Worth it if you need money quick. >_>
Name: Albacore
(Very) Rough stats: HP - 750, SP - 200, ATK - 200, DEF - 200, MATK - 200, MDEF - 200, SPD - 50
Spells: Pillar Rain, Submerge, Bash, Devour, Rage, Resist, Summon Shark
Appears in: Empty field, no other enemies
Drops: 400 EXP, 100 Gold
You are surprised and and devoured by an albacore.
Feel free to completely rip these apart (and/or reject them altogether); I have no freaking clue how to stat enemies. >_>
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(Very) Rough stats: HP - 10, SP - 1000, ATK - 0, DEF - 50, MATK - 250, MDEF - 500, SPD - 600
Spells: Get Away, Douse, Negate, Divert, Frost, Submerge, something that makes it dodgey >_>
Appears in: Empty field, no other enemies
Drops: Fish Bowl - 15% (Helm, all classes, -5 DEF, +15 MDEF), 1000 Gold, 1 EXP
Hard to kill. Worth it if you need money quick. >_>
This was going to be an idea of mine, although much harder to kill and worth more gold. That being said, I have to say No. Not unless it's in a field with several other monsters and is a hard to get encounter.
Name: Albacore
(Very) Rough stats: HP - 750, SP - 200, ATK - 200, DEF - 200, MATK - 200, MDEF - 200, SPD - 50
Spells: Pillar Rain, Submerge, Bash, Devour, Rage, Resist, Summon Shark
Appears in: Empty field, no other enemies
Drops: 400 EXP, 100 Gold
Here's my opinion: Lower the stats so it's a bit weaker compared to Manticore (Which is supposed to be a Mini Boss) and lower the EXP and it would make more sense. Here, I'll redo Manticore with this table.
Name: Manticore
Stats: HP - 1550, SP - 800, ATK - 180, DEF - 250, MATK - 200, MDEF - 250, SPD - 150
Spells: Bash, Devour, Poison Stinger, Hellfire, Blaze, Healing, Enflame (Or whatever.)
Appears in: Field with Albacore.
Drops: 1000 EXP, 2200 Gold, Possibility of Manticore Hide (2% drop chance, +55 Def/+70 MDEF all classes. Armor.)
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Underwater Ruins. Plus, it's a fucking Manticore. It surprises you. That's how it's underwater.
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Meanwhile, I have the definitive Martial Artist class tree.
Apprentice -> Black Belt -> Sensei/Sōke
*FF victory fanfare plays*
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Freaking TFN and its incompatibility with certain characters.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soke_%28martial_arts%29
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Alternatively:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Titles_and_rank_in_Japanese_martial_arts
Pick your poison. >_>
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Apprentice - Yudansha - Doshu
Yudansha means "holder of a black belt" basically, and Doshu is "Master of the Way". Perfect fit.
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Sensei
Shihan
Doshu
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Yudansha and Black Belt.
That seems fair. >_> I'm writing off Mister Dojo as a poor joke however. >_>
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