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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/10/2008 12:23:00 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 001
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(Yes, I could have put this in my other topic, but I didn't.)

Played through Classic with Mario, as per tradition. Despite being it being on Normal mode, I lost four of my 5 stock. Almost lost a fifth against Team Zero Suit Samus, when one of the idiots attacked me when an Explosive Crate was right next to us. Thankfully she got KO'd to the side while I became a star. Unlocked Captain Falcon.

Thoughts so far:

-Wow, this game feels like Melee at .5 speed setting.

-Wiimote + Nunchuk controls are horribly, horribly awkward. I was planning to use them as my main control scheme, but holy crap. Back to the GCN controller I go.

-I miss the bonus points at the end of a stage. You know, "Half-Minute Man", "Stale Moves", etc.

-There's like ten seconds of lag(?) in matches with characters who spawn in when others die (vs. Team [Character] and the like). Really, really annoying.

-Dedede is ****ing BRUTAL. I KO people at like 10% with his uncharged side smash.

-Break the Targets sucks now.

-The announcer pronounces Dedede's and Lucas' names wrong.

-Unlocked Luigi.

-Jesus Christ event #10 is a bitch. Two stock, choose your character, against the "original 8". Doesn't sound too hard? Items on, on very high. There are always at least 3 on the field, not counting the ones that are "active" and doing crap. I eventually won with Dedede, after tanking like 4 Smart Bombs.

-The Dragoon is so stupid it isn't even funny. There's an item I am turning off immediately.

-The "Mario Bros." stage may dethrone Icicle Mountain as "worst stage ever conceived".

-CPU Olimars are so funny to edgeguard against.

-I just cleared the first 20 solo events.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 3/10/2008 3:40:14 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 002
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When you get Lucario, tell us how similar that fellow is to Mewtwo.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/10/2008 5:34:23 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 003
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Not very similar, honestly.

He has the same neutral B - a chargeable ball that you can "keep". It still hurts people who touch it while charging. His falling animation is very similar, as is his falling speed (really, really slow).

Other than that, not too similar at all. Well, one more similarity - this is just my (unprofessional) opinion, but I think Lucario will end up as one of the worst fighters in the game. As you might already be aware, his power increases with damage, capping at 200%. But at 0%, his attacks are incredibly slow AND really weak. Even at 200%, you'd be better off with, say, Dedede or Ike, because they deal more damage and their attacks seem as fast if not faster.

Lucario does have two advantages, though. Most of his "aura" attacks (side smash, for example) reach much farther than they appear to, and last longer than you'd expect. Epic mind game potential... or something, I dunno.

But yeah, of everyone I've tried so far, Lucario is by far the worst. And he's not nearly as cool as Mewtwo.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/10/2008 6:35:25 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 004
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-There are way too many items that are insta-wins. The following items WILL kill you if an opponent grabs them:

1. Cracker Launcher

Probably the weakest item on this list, but when it works against you... christ, don't even bother trying to recover. You can't.

2. Superspicy Curry

Fireflower. That you can move and attack while using. That doesn't run out of flames until it disappears. What the HELL.

3. Golden Hammer

This is exactly what the Smash series needed. A stronger Hammer.

4. Smash Ball

Enough said.

5. Bumper

Try recovering with one of these at the ledge. You CAN'T. Insta-kill.

6. Deku Nut and Pitfall

Yeah.

7. Most ATs

Lyn/Goroh/Saki/Waluigi/Hammer Bro/Little Mac/Knuckle Joe... I can keep going.

8. Dragoon

Probably the biggest offender on this list, because as soon as you have one or two parts, the AI rubberbands and starts beating the everloving CRAP out of you, KOs you, assembles the Dragoon, and KOs you AGAIN with the Dragoon.

9. Any explosive. Pick one.



Seriously, without the ability to turn all this crap off in vs. mode, I'd call the game unplayable. And it does its best to make any singleplayer mode (where you can't turn it off) unplayable.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/10/2008 10:16:03 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 005
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And now the main event! Kenri plays through the SSE... ON INTENSE OH **** THE WHOLE UNIVERSE IS GOING TO DIE

[Spoiler for SSE, click to show]
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/10/2008 10:16:53 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 006
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[Spoiler for SSE, click to show]
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/10/2008 10:23:51 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 007
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[Spoiler for SSE, click to show]
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GameCobra Posted: 3/10/2008 12:52:27 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 008
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I'm pretty much at the end of the Emissary, judging how my clear rate is %60.

[Spoiler for Smash Brothers, click to show]
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/12/2008 9:42:03 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 009
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-Beat the SSE. (A while ago, actually.) I have writeups, but because of the stupid text limit, it would seriously take like 5 posts, so I've lost motivation for posting them.

[Spoiler for SSE, click to show]

-Beat all 41 solo events.

-Beat a few co-op events... by myself.

-Beat Classic with every character... except Ice Climbers and Ness. And Squirtle and Ivysaur, who I apparently need to beat Master Hand with to get trophies of.

-Jigglypuff sucks now, Rest has been nerfed to a point of being useless.

-MIS! TER! GAMEANDWATCH! MIS! TER! GAMEANDWATCH!

-Seriously, Mr. G&W rocks now.

-Kirby and Pikachu kick ass again.

-Some stages are so ridiculously bad that they're almost unplayable. Mario Bros., 75m, Rumble Falls, NEW PORK CITY, Flat Zone 2, and Spear Pillar as soon as Dialga/Palkia/Cresselia appears, just to name a few.

-I suck as Snake and Olimar. So much.

-Bad voice acting is baaaaaad.

-Diddy Kong and Lucas are really amazingly ridiculously awesome.

-YOU CAN'T PLAY AS NANA ANYMORE WTF

-NERF WARIO

-Seriously, his fsmash kills at like 40% and he's fast. And his aerial game makes Jigglypuff look like Bowser.

-It's really annoying that enemy CPUs focus all their attacks on you, even during free for alls with no teams. If I had wanted a 1 vs 3 match with friendly fire on, GOOD CHANCE I WOULD HAVE PICKED THAT. Christ.

-Dragoon parts are one of the more flagrant examples of cheating AI I've ever seen. I've lost two parts to a neutral A, while I can hit enemies with three fsmashes, an upsmash, a grab, a dash, three neutral A combos, a Hammer, a nuclear bomb, and a small continent and they still won't drop the damn piece until I KO them.

-Some of the Metroid trophy descriptions seem like they were written by someone who never played a Metroid game. "Dark Samus is virtually identical to Samus", except, you know, in appears, mannerisms, attacks... "There are several theories about Dark Samus' origin, but none have been proven". Really? Because I thought it was pretty clear that Metroid Prime stole Samus' Phazon Suit or whatever it was called and corrupted it, considering that is EXACTLY WHAT ****ING HAPPENS AT THE END OF METROID PRIME. I could go on, but I won't.
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Ozzmark Posted: 3/12/2008 4:41:02 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 010
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I find snake pretty cheap in a 4 player FFA, New Pork City seems playable when I'm Pikachu :P Other then that :P Still love Marth to death and that's who I play. Played it 24 hours straight. Unlocked every character through vs matches... took forever.
Mega Sonic Posted: 3/12/2008 7:09:04 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 011
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-The announcer pronounces Dedede's and Lucas' names wrong.


No, he says them correctly. I have no idea how you can fuck up Lucas.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/12/2008 7:24:12 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 012
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No, he says them incorrectly.

Dedede is "day-deh-day", or, even more correctly, "deh-deh-deh". In either case, it is NOT "dee-dee-dee".

The S is silent in Lucas - it's the French pronunciation.
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Mega Sonic Posted: 3/12/2008 7:25:55 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 013
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No, it's Dee-dee-dee

I don't care if the Japanese is written differently (and I am aware that it is), in America, we pronounce it Dee-dee-dee

And again, America, Lucas
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/12/2008 7:31:32 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 014
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WE ARE IN AMERICA SO WE MUST SPEAK AMERICAN AND PRONOUNCE THINGS AMERICANLY

Get over yourself.
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Mega Sonic Posted: 3/12/2008 7:34:17 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 015
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More like you get over Japan
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/12/2008 7:35:10 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 016
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Out of curiosity, how do you pronounce "deck"? "Den"? "Depth"?

Since "de" is always pronounced as "dee" in your world.
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Mega Sonic Posted: 3/12/2008 7:40:11 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 017
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Don't try to pull your pronunciation shit with me, English has a ton of exceptions and different sounds depending on the word.

No, King Dedede is pronounced Dee-dee-dee because that sounds less stupid than Day-day-day or deh-deh-deh.

Also because it's a whole lot easier to just call him 3D when you kick ass him
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/12/2008 7:45:30 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 018
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Wait, I thought your argument was that the announcer pronounces their names correctly, not that he pronounces their names in a way that "sounds less stupid".
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Mega Sonic Posted: 3/12/2008 7:51:26 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 019
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Correctly as in that is the way they should be pronounce to avoid confusion and general stupidity

Because no one is going to pronounce Lucas 'Loo-ka,' and if you try to tell people how to say it correctly, you're just going to sound like a dick
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/12/2008 7:55:01 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 020
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I'd much rather be seen as a dick than be seen as ignorant.
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Mega Sonic Posted: 3/12/2008 8:06:28 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 021
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No one in America is going to see you as ignorant because

A. Hardly anyone in America has played Mother 3
B. Hardly anyone gives a shit because in America, we pronounce it 'Loo-kas'
C. The announcer pronounces it Loo-kas

And if the announcer pronounces it that way, someone at Nintendo must have wanted him to say it that way.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/12/2008 8:13:14 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 022
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No one in America is going to see you as ignorant because

I see you as ignorant, and I live in America.


And if the announcer pronounces it that way, someone at Nintendo must have wanted him to say it that way.

A. It's pronounced "Day-Deh-Day" in the Japanese version. Not sure about Lucas, can't hear well enough in any of the videos.

B. No, someone at Nintendo of America must have wanted him to say it that way. Nintendo of America does not make the call on how things are pronounced. Nor does SSBB.
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Mega Sonic Posted: 3/12/2008 8:20:51 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 023
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How the fuck can I be ignorant when I know that it's pronounced Loo-ka

I just choose not to because 'Lucas' is better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E7cGTvBnnE

And it sounds like Dee-dee-dee in the Japanese version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqHzRpxmC8o

And it sounds like Loo-kas in the Japanese version

cause, you know, the announcer voice didn't change between versions
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/12/2008 10:02:26 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 024
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You knowingly pronounce names incorrectly. Fine, maybe that's not ignorance, but it IS stupid.

The voice actor might not have changed but he definitely pronounces it as "Dee-dee-dee" in the English version and "Day-deh-day" in the Japanese version.
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Luigi87 Posted: 3/12/2008 10:22:05 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 025
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As much as it pains me to disagree with a fellow DSBer, sorry MS, but regarding Dedede -- in North America it is pronounced Dee-dee-dee yes, but in Japan the kana spelling is "De-de-de" and that is pronounced "Deh-deh-deh", and not the kana for Japan's "Di-di-di" (which would sound like Dee-dee-dee).

I will add that it is not incorrect to pronounce his name "Dee-dee-dee" though, as that is his official name in the English work... A tad confusing, but this is accepted fact.
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Mega Sonic Posted: 3/12/2008 10:48:33 PM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 026
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As much as it pains me to disagree with a fellow DSBer, sorry MS, but regarding Dedede -- in North America it is pronounced Dee-dee-dee yes, but in Japan the kana spelling is "De-de-de" and that is pronounced "Deh-deh-deh", and not the kana for Japan's "Di-di-di" (which would sound like Dee-dee-dee).


Yes, I am aware of this. Kana and Gana are easy enough to read. <_<
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/13/2008 4:49:01 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 027
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I will add that it is not incorrect to pronounce his name "Dee-dee-dee" though, as that is his official name in the English work... A tad confusing, but this is accepted fact.

Keep in mind, though, that this was a decision probably made by 4Kids. >_>
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/13/2008 7:20:16 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 028
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What I have left to do:

-Collect all stickers.

-Collect all trophies.

-Most of the Boss Battle challenges, including beating it with every character and beating it on higher difficulty settings... No idea how I'll pull that off!

-Beat All-star with every character.

-All-star on higher difficulty settings.

-Various "get X number of total KOs", "get X number of total coins", "power on for X hours", "brawl for X hours", etc.

-Total swim and run distance.

-Some various Stadium challenges I haven't gotten around to - 100 man Brawl in 3 minutes 30 seconds and Target Smash level 4 in 32 seconds, maybe some others I'm missing.

-Get the rest of the songs.

I think that's it. Should be easy, right? <_<
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 3/14/2008 3:16:43 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 029
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List of ways the AI cheats:

-The aforementioned cheating at the Dragoon/Smash Ball.

-The aforementioned "all three enemies attack you during a free for all" thing.

-Wins Microgames without even doing anything, or wins them when it DOES do things in "Don't Move". (WarioWare is another unplayable stage BTW.

-Doesn't get even remotely thrown off by the Nintendog/Resetti/Devil/Togepi's darkness thing/Spear Pillar turning upside down and reversing all the controls/etc.

More as I'm sure to find them. Melee's AI was predictable but this is just embarrassing.
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Ogordemir99 Posted: 3/14/2008 4:24:40 AM UTC | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 030
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It's /de.de.de/, topic over
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