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Shining Force is the most flagrant abuse of "cheating AI" I've ever seen.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/30/2006 5:53:21 AM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 001
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This is like, Mario Kart 64 level cheating AI. So far I've noticed:

Randomly missing enemies that I really should not be missing, at least not as often as I am. This only seems to happen during times when a miss would be very, very useful to the enemy, mind you.

4 characters, in a row, randomly missing against a basic zombie.

Random powerups (enemies doing 8 damage one turn, then doing 9 damage the next turn... to the same character)

Random double moves and/or critical hits at opportune times. Example:

Gong: FEAR MY ASIAN STEREOTYPE-NESS.
Skeleton: oh noes i am the pwnt ;_;
Gong: IT'S OWNAGE TIME, n00b.
Skeleton: o rly?
Game: Stunning attack! Gong takes 14 damage! Skeleton attacks Gong for 7 damage! Gong is unable to fight!
Me: ...What the FUCK.

Enemies that have been stationary for 147ish turns suddenly deciding "hay i can kill that guy so i will" (although this could just be the AI being stupid in the beginning, not cheating in the end)

My characters randomly deciding to be lazy and not move. My lead character is in danger? Well, this would normally be fine, except the boss gets about three turns before my lead gets one. Mind you all my other characters got turns too, just not the only character I actually cared about moving.

Etc etc etc

Fire Emblem this ain't.
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Burgess Posted: 11/30/2006 11:05:43 AM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 002
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Random powerups (enemies doing 8 damage one turn, then doing 9 damage the next turn... to the same character)

You do realize that this happens in like, every game ever that has anything to do with hp and whatnot?

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Mega Sonic Posted: 11/30/2006 1:50:03 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 003
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Yeah.

It's called a RNG. lrn2randomize
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/30/2006 5:37:52 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 004
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You do realize that this happens in like, every game ever that has anything to do with hp and whatnot?

It tends not to happen in SRPGs. Of course in, say, Final Fantasy you'll 28304439573953 damage one turn and 24745962353321 the next, but generally in games where you do single digit damage and in SRPGs, the damage is consistant.

It's called a RNG. lrn2randomize

Except it's not a RNG, otherwise I could abuse it by using save states. Which I can't.
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Link Dude Posted: 11/30/2006 5:43:47 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 005
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There are still plenty of other ways to abuse SRPGs
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Mega Sonic Posted: 11/30/2006 10:21:34 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 006
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except it is

It's just that, like several of the events in Fire Emblem (and some other games if I remember correctly), the random numbers are picked at the start of battle or when you turn on the game or something.

I've experimented with save states in some game before, only to be disappointed with the same results each time. Now... what game was that again...? <_<
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 11/30/2006 11:06:08 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 007
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It's just that, like several of the events in Fire Emblem (and some other games if I remember correctly), the random numbers are picked at the start of battle or when you turn on the game or something.

Which would lead to me being able to abuse those random numbers via save states. IE if I have a save stat before 4 of my guys move, I try to attack an enemy, they all miss, I load the state, have them all "Stay" instead of attacking. The enemy should get RNG screwed now, right? Wrooong. <_<

Anyway, I was tired and pissed when I made this topic, so I was overreacting somewhat. Although I still refuse to believe the frequency of which I miss against weak enemies is legit.
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Link Dude Posted: 11/30/2006 11:52:18 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 008
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Try playing Diablo 2, you won't be complaining about other miss rates for a while.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 12/1/2006 1:49:34 AM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 009
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Or I could not play Diablo 2 and complain about this instead.
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Link Dude Posted: 12/1/2006 2:15:20 AM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 010
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Right, but then you'd be living up to your rank.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 12/1/2006 4:34:28 AM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 011
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You know, surprisingly, I don't actually care if you consider me a "Pathetic Lackey" or not. Hopefully at some point you'll be able to "live up" to your rank, which, judging by your displays of unrivaled intelligence, is probably something like "Lowly Janitor at a Wendy's".
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Link Dude Posted: 12/1/2006 4:59:01 AM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 012
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I was just saying if you chose not to play Diablo 2, which you eventually will. Besides, I've yet to work at Wendy's too busy working at GameStop, which is awesome by the way.
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xp1337 Posted: 12/1/2006 5:46:14 AM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 013
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I load the state, have them all "Stay" instead of attacking. The enemy should get RNG screwed now, right? Wrooong.

Or it uses the RNG no matter what you do! =)
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 12/1/2006 10:00:03 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 014
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...I think you quite clearly don't understand what I said.
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xp1337 Posted: 12/1/2006 10:01:43 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 015
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No, other way around.

If the game is set to use up the RN regardless of whether you stay or attack, it works out.
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Kenri of the Yuri Posted: 12/1/2006 10:05:48 PM CST | Message Detail | Filter | Author Profile | # 016
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Ah, I see what you mean now. Sorry.

Regardless, I get different results by resetting, so this is really pointless. =/
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